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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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I knew this wasn’t a “random occurrence” due to drugs and homelessness. People almost never stab each other for no reason.

But when I suggested it in an earlier thread I was criticized and downvoted for “spreading conspiracy theories.”

I know we shouldn’t speculate but everyone else was speculating that it was random!

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They really do some amazing reporting. Based on the fact that this is the first article I'm seeing on this topic, it seems that Mission Local may have got the scoop [1] on the Chronicle and other big newspapers on this high-profile topic. That is a big deal for journalists (if I recall correctly) because it means you're doing better original reporting and you're more connected to the neighborhood. [1] https://grammar…

Any small local news organizations will almost ALWAYS get the scoop on the big ones, for local news. Because the vast majority of "big" news things are a division of some conglomerate and just regurgitate Reuters.

Most local newspapers these day are glorified advertising circulars with maybe one or two reporters they actually employ.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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I recall a sad point to this case captured on surveillance video:

As Bob Lee was bleeding out, he went to driver for aid who ignored him and fled the scene. Shouldn't they be arrested and charged for failure to render aid? Perhaps he would've had a chance if he had arrived at a trauma ER but it's now an unknowable.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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I recall a sad point to this case captured on surveillance video: As Bob Lee was bleeding out, he went to driver for aid who ignored him and fled the scene. Shouldn't they be arrested and charged for failure to render aid? Perhaps he would've had a chance if he had arrived at a trauma ER but it's now an unknowable.

I don't think you have a duty to render aid, and it's hard to blame someone not wanting to get involved in a stabbing.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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I've lived in SF for almost 30 years. I agree 100%. Sure, there's a lot more sad/ugly homelessness in the post-covid era. The shantytowns out by Candlestick are depressing. The Tenderloin continues to be a mess. But do I feel less safe? Absolutely not! The neighborhoods (where most people live) are just fine. I regularly walk home from the bars at midnight without a care. It's simply not a problem. Compare back to th…

So you only feel safe because you have the means / are affluent enough to avoid crime ridden areas? That‘s not entirely fair.

Sorry if it came across that way, wasn't my intent.

I live in the city, and travel through all parts -- including the less desirable parts. I ride down Market every day. I go to the central library at Civic Center. I do bike loops through Candlestick. I frequent bars in the Tenderloin.

So no, it's not just because I can avoid "crime-ridden areas". It's because I don't find those areas fundamentally unsafe.

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As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

I saw a reply to a thread on twitter where a woman said to one of his friends, something like, “sorry to burst your bubble but bob was a champion of ‘diversity’” and if that isn’t saying that quiet part out loud, hoof.

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This data is from 2019, pre-pandemic and almost 5 years ago. Things have changed.

Has it? 2019 is the latest aggregation the FBI publishes. Looking at the SFPD Dashboard, homicide hasn't changed from last year at 13. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

Homicides has gone up during the pandemic--56 in 2022 vs 41 in 2019. I think NYC also went up, but NYC is still safer than SF (5 deaths per 100k vs 6.9 per 100k for SF).

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post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in SF for almost 30 years. I agree 100%. Sure, there's a lot more sad/ugly homelessness in the post-covid era. The shantytowns out by Candlestick are depressing. The Tenderloin continues to be a mess. But do I feel less safe? Absolutely not! The neighborhoods (where most people live) are just fine. I regularly walk home from the bars at midnight without a care. It's simply not a problem. Compare back to th…

So you only feel safe because you have the means / are affluent enough to avoid crime ridden areas? That‘s not entirely fair.

It seems to me like a lot of the people claiming to feel unsafe are equally affluent.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

I'm personally not into incarcerating mass amounts of people, as it only centralizes a prison industrial complex. Rather, one glaring issue is dangerous drugs showing up on our streets & the conditions that lead to this usage. In the comment you linked to, I noted Kensington Ave in Philadelphia, where there are videos of many people on hard drugs stooped over. Many people, who would otherwise have happier lives are n…

> Many people, who would otherwise have happier lives are now dealing with addiction & living on the streets.

I don't know about you but I don't know anyone who fell into drug use and homelessness who had happy lives. I think people who are homeless and or addicted to drugs are addicted to drugs because there lives are not good. If you improve economic and social conditions for people, drug abuse becomes less of a problem because people do not need to cope with difficulty in their life in the same way.

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Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I imagine SF feels probably fine coming from another American city. But if you moved here from Seoul, it would be terrifying

American cities are more violent, yes. But it doesn't make a lot of sense to pin that on San Francisco politicians, which usually seems to be the endgame with these warnings about how dangerous it is.
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