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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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My office before I went fully remote is literally at that corner. Good luck getting me to go back to the office.

https://robkhenderson.substack.com/p/status-symbols-and-the-... usually only the lower classes suffer for our luxury beliefs. this is an exception.

Great article, thanks for sharing.

"Elites decided they were vulgar, and during the reign of France’s Louis XIV, court chefs banned sugar and spice from all meals except for desserts."

And it was right in HN a while back that someone was poopooing non-European cuisine's use of spices as "a means to cover up subpar ingredients". Turns out that at least in Europe it had nothing to do with subpar ingredients.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Here are some statistics that might help the discussion: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... A…

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> Cities with a majority progressive government, when taken as a whole, have significantly more crime than non-progressive.

The article you link to does not argue or support this position, at all. Was this the wrong link?

I'll pull out what I've gotten from it. It's called "The Liberals Who Won’t Acknowledge the Crime Problem", and the author tries to argue that various liberals (which he conflates with progressives) are ignoring a crime problem. The author starts out by framing the piece against various crimes that occurred in various cities. And then says this:

  Anecdata, of course, are not the same as data. And in cities such as Philadelphia and San Francisco, progressive district attorneys have insisted that their critics have gotten the facts wrong. As The New York Times recently reported, the now-recalled San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin routinely “confront[ed] voters with data that shows overall crime has not increased meaningfully while he has been in office.” Larry Krasner, Philadelphia’s cantankerous district attorney, has developed a habit of browbeating critics in town-hall meetings with appeals to “the science.” His in-house criminologist, Krasner has insisted, can give people the real numbers if they really want them. Ordinary residents are being told that what they perceive to be true is not, in fact, true.

  The problem here is that humans understand and interact with the world based on perception and feeling. Politics is about policy, but it is also about human nature—which, however one wishes to characterize it, is a constant to contend with. You can try to transcend human nature by appealing to people’s better angels or through education and enlightenment—but only up to a point.
Okay, so there we have it. What does the word "acknowledge" mean in the title? It means they're not giving into the right wing narrative and instead are sticking by data, facts, and statistics. The author actually writes in so many words "feelings are more important than facts".

Of course the author tries to claim that the stats can be cherry picked, but they just step in it. They cite a NY Times article which tells:

  There is no compelling evidence that Mr. Boudin’s policies have made crime significantly worse in San Francisco. Overall crime in San Francisco has changed little since Mr. Boudin took office in early 2020.
And the author quibbles that a YOY increase of burglaries from 7,217 to 7,575 qualifies as a crime wave. In trying to prove their point, the author got this extra information from the NYT which further serves to diminish their point, but they had to print it anyway as a professional matter:

  “the pandemic and other broad societal factors seem to have influenced the patterns of property crime, rather than any causal link to policies within the purview of a district attorney.”
The author doesn't even attempt to rebut that. Yet, they don't skip a beat before continuing to call out liberals. The author tries to call liberals out for "motivated reasoning", but that seems actually to be what the author is doing: trying to find anything to support their position, facts and statistics be damned.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I don't see what's wrong with SF. /sarcasm SF is the people's choice, no? The people in SF elected DAs who release booked violent criminals right away, multiple times. The people in SF elected politicians who told us, repeatedly and publicly, that looting is a way for people to express their anger or looters were hungry, and violent criminals are victims and questioning their policies are homophobic and racism. The p…

Are you not connecting the dots here at all? You think SF would have headed in this direction if it wasn't heavily gentrified by enormous SF salaries and subsequent nimbyism? It's the same gentrification -> disparity -> flight -> neglect cycle that's happened to lesser degrees elsewhere. This is unique only in its severity.

I think you may be the one missing the dots. The comment you responded to is pointing out that cycle you list (gentrification -> disparity -> flight -> neglect) is a direct result of the residents actions. They are the ones that elect the politicians and vote on propositions. The residents made a choice to go the route they did. What you see is a direct result of the residents' choices.

I live within a couple hours of SF and I got to say I 100% agree with the person you responded too. The residents of SF caused the mess they are in.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I have commented on SF threads before regarding the violent crime. I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Progressive DA's and a neutered police force are to blame for the rise in violent crime. Many of my friends have taken their remote gigs and left SF in the last 3 years. What's the point in rolling the dice every time you walk outsid…

> neutered police force The police are on strike and that's all there is to it. They haven't been "neutered". SF has an average number of sworn personnel for cities of its size, 23 per 10k residents. No city has figured out how to attack the problem of police productivity, except arguably Camden NJ.

> per 10K residents

This is not a meaningful metric because the daytime population is a lot higher. Many of the crime victims are not SF residents, and most of the criminals are not SF residents either.

This is not the case in NYC, which has a lot of commuters between boroughs.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Warning: That thread has mostly devolved into discussing crime, totally ignoring Bob Lee.

I agree, but as this comment is not actually about Bob Lee either, I'm going to have to move it back to the other thread.

(It was originally a reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457507.)

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Speaking as an immigrant - Worked in SF most of last decade. Left in 2018. Crime was on a steady uptick while I was there. Once in the Bart, a young man grabbed a cellphone from the guy seated right next to me & bolted out of the train. The train started, and the cellphone owner gave chase. The Bart police arrived soon after, with guns pointed straight at the passengers. The robber was fast and jumped over the turnst…

Yeah, that's what I did too. SF has the money, but once you get certain amount of money you start to ask yourself if it's time to get some quality of life, and whether to have to wade around drug addicts and excrement on the street is worth a chance of having more money. SF area (not only SF, same for San Jose) has gone downhill a real lot last ~15 or so years. And somehow people there are completely fine with it, judging from their voting patterns. I don't understand that, but I can't do anything about it, just move out to a place where people value quality of life more. Ironically, covid helped a lot here - many more companies became ok with remote work, and developed processes that allow to accommodate people working outside of the physical office.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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post #671

Speaking as an immigrant - Worked in SF most of last decade. Left in 2018. Crime was on a steady uptick while I was there. Once in the Bart, a young man grabbed a cellphone from the guy seated right next to me & bolted out of the train. The train started, and the cellphone owner gave chase. The Bart police arrived soon after, with guns pointed straight at the passengers. The robber was fast and jumped over the turnst…

Free iPhones for everyone so nobody would steal anymore …

Hahaha. What a joke. Unbelievable. So disconnected from reality.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

California is only about a hundred and fifty years old. It was like Siberia, but with an awesome climate. Gold was discovered and a hundreds of thousands of 49ers flooded the state and San Francisco became a major port city overnight. For the next hundred and fifty years, right up until about 2001, the city has served as the "drain" for the rest of the country. San Francisco is and always has been an open-air lunatic asylum (e.g. His Imperial Majesty Emperor Norton I.) The Tenderloin is bedlam, a little slice of hell raised to the surface of the Earth and allowed to fester in broad daylight.

In short, nothing happened to make SF this way, it's always been this way. The idea that SF is some left-wing exemplar is just as foolish as the idea that is was a good place to start start-ups. It's all hype. SF is kinda nasty. (Go check out what was going down here a few decades ago. But be warned, it's pretty fucked up. It's a story that culminates in the events at Jonestown. If you don't already know what that is, then you probably should not look it up.)

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