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> "true physical recall" ah, a made up term in order to justify your point. how convenient.
No we're talking about making terms actually fit their definition, which is generally helpful.
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The CONCEPT has been known for decades. Who has put a fuel processing facility on mars? I think there was some minor chemistry experiment on one of the rovers to go in that direction. The raw energy required to make that fuel, using ANY conceivable process, is extreme though. What energy solution has been proposed? How much solar acreage do you need? How will you keep the dust off the panels? Will there be any option…
> How will you keep the dust off the panels? Assuming there are people involved, give them a broom. ;)
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US passenger rail is unsafe. We have no way near the level of sophistication of European passenger rail transport. We have a significantly higher number of derailments. Even the worst European rail is more safe than US rail.
Europe has more railroad deaths than the US. Try again.
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The industry needs to come up with a new related term like "Software Recall" Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. That's a disporportate response just to highlight importance of an OTA update.
> Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. And the distinction matters to consumers because...? A component is faulty. It needs to be fixed. Whether or not you have to drive to a dealership, if it's OTA, if someone at a dealership needs to plug a specialized device to your car's OBD port, or the car is unfixable and needs to…
Because in one I have to book a time with a dealer and take half a day off of work and in the other I have to do... nothing and it will just fix itself.
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Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.
You do not call security updates that you get to your computer a recall of your computer, do you?
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> reducing the number of cars on the road seem to be the best solution. No actually its actually not. Less concession in a system that depends on concession for safety will lead to more accident not less. That is what was shown during Covid, less driving, but accidents per mile went up. So yes, of course public transport, bikes are great, but if you don't fix the underlying problem in the road system, you are gone ha…
accidents per mile driven isn't a good metric. If you half the number of miles driven (through public transit/walking/biking) and have 50% more accidents per mile driven then you've still saved a bunch of people's lives.
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It's not even a bit surprising they'd miss things like this, IMHO. They do tests with a few (maybe even a lot of) intersections, but there are thousands upon thousands of intersections out there, including some where bushes are obscuring a stop sign, or the sign is at a funny angle, or sunlight is reflecting off the traffic lights, or heavy rain obscuring them, or plain old ambiguous signage...there's _bound_ to be m…
You know, there was an article on here last week about how there are only 4 billion floats, so just test them all. There are only like 16 million intersections in the US. Why not test them all?
Tesla does however collect data on edge cases and then train their system to respond correctly. They can for example trail a collection network to identify things that might be obscured stop signs, then have the fleet collect a whole bunch of examples, hand label those samples, and roll this new data in to the training system. This is explicitly how they handle edge cases.
They can also create a new feature or network and roll it out in “shadow mode” where it is running but has no influence on the car, and then they can observe how these systems are behaving in the real world.
The real issue I guess is when they release a new feature without trialing it in shadow mode, or if they have gaps in their testing and validation system.
I wish all the ink spilled on controversy over Tesla would instead be spilled on doing basic safety improvement to the road system that are cheap and proven to save many lives. Lets be real here, automated driving or not, having actually save roads helps prevent death and harm in many cases. The hyper focus on high tech software by all the agencies engaged in 'automotive security' is totally wrongly focused. What the…
I disagree. If someone is a bad driver, and causing crashes, we don't say "we need to improve the road system". We suspend the drivers license until they can prove they are capable of being a safe driver. We should hold this software to the same standard. Until it can demonstrate safety at or above human level, it should be outlawed. Road systems should always be worked on, but when a crash happens its usually the dr…
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I disagree. If someone is a bad driver, and causing crashes, we don't say "we need to improve the road system". We suspend the drivers license until they can prove they are capable of being a safe driver. We should hold this software to the same standard. Until it can demonstrate safety at or above human level, it should be outlawed. Road systems should always be worked on, but when a crash happens its usually the dr…
Tesla publishes their safety data quarterly no need for your many assumptions and speculations - Teslas are already much safer than the average driver, especially when autopilot is on https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
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No, I didn't mean that at all. All Teslas come with Autopilot. It's adaptive cruise control and automatic steering that will keep you in your lane. It's awesome, and I love it. "Enhanced" autopilot, which currently is $6000 extra, is automatic lane change, automatically taking exits, summon, and automatic parking. The automatic lane change is nice, but it fails too often to be worth thousands of dollars. All the rest…
> All Teslas come with Autopilot. It's adaptive cruise control and automatic steering that will keep you in your lane. So like every Honda Accord as well.