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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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People keep saying that. Humans don't work like that. Almost all meaningful relations are based on prolonged proximity.

You must hang out with some poor quality humans. My meaningful relationships are based on how much I like the people. Sitting within X meters of someone doesn't make me like them particularly. Liking someone is based on how similar we are in aesthetics, politics, philosophy, and world view, not whether we worked on unrelated things in the same neck of the woods. I've been in the work world for almost 40 years now and…

> Liking someone is based on how similar we are in aesthetics, politics, philosophy, and world view

I’m a pretty social person, and have great relationships both at work and outside of work: this list you’ve provided made me recoil in disagreement. The first two items are aesthetics and politics!? Even philosophy and world view I cannot strongly agree with.

Not saying that this isn’t true for you, and that’s genuinely fine. But I wouldn’t agree that you can generalize your preferences in relationships to others if the quoted sentence is genuinely true.

Mutual respect, friendliness, interest, shared experiences come to mind for me, though I admittedly typed that up in a few seconds without thinking very much about it.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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A little depressing to see GitHub join the zeitgeist. Probably mandated from above by Microsoft. The next time I'm on a job search, I'll be de-prioritizing, and possibly even excluding, those tech companies that laid people off in order to signal to investors that they had their finances under control. I was kind of attached to GitHub, though, so this is disappointing.

How can you be sure that investor signalling is their motivation?

As opposed to what alternative explanation?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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> Five years from now, I think we will not see "remote only" for a large company and think "ooh, they value their employees I guess" Also, remote work opens the door to replace expensive domestic workers with cheap foreign ones. If your employees are going to be pictures on your screen anyway, might as well pick ones that worker harder and complain less. For what it's worth, this might finally open the eyes of many S…

> If your employees are going to be pictures on your screen anyway, might as well pick ones that worker harder and complain less. Well, naturally, if that’s the all-else-equal trade that’s on offer, they’d be foolish to not take it.

Of course, the problem is that the trade is on offer at all.

In the antiquated view that the government exists for the protection of the people, rather than to coddle corporations and sacrificing at the altar of competitiveness, it would be simply shut down.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Fortune now confirming: https://fortune.com/2023/02/09/github-is-laying-off-10-of-st...

>i) Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years. ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations Layoffs and having to use teams? Talk about a morale hit

Teams has come a long way. It’s totally fine for video conferencing. They are still using slack for chat.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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A bunch of my former co-workers at MSFT are working from home 100% of the time. Maybe it is a per organization thing.

Satya proudly announced WFH as a thing you could do around mid pandemic, then it was bastardized as it went down the orgs. Some are 100% wfh, vast majority is some arbitrary %.

Can confirm it heavily depends on org.

In my case, I only go to office 1 day a week (to talk to people irl), and in my team only very few people go everyday, everyone else hovers between 20% to 100% wfh.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Look, you can't have it both ways. People on HN are always talking badly about companies that don't allow work from home, or require at least a couple days in the office. Then a company says it's going entirely remote (not including the layoff context) and people shit on that. Which is it? As for the layoffs, I don't have anything to add to that. There a Microsoft decision.

I'll contend that while I've been fully taken advantage of remote work (and probably want my next job to be remote too), I still fully believe it's a long term "leading lambs to the slaughter" type of plan. Companies save big on remote in so many ways. No more offices. No more weekly happy hours (just do a company retreat every 6 months). They can now depress salaries even further because they have a wider pool from…

The World Economic Forum have stated in a white paper that Corporations and Governments will be expected as part of climate action to help move more people into cities. So that "15 minute cities" legislation can be implemented world wide. This appears to be nothing but a long term climate lockdown. I personally think that to have everyone working locally in these 15 minute zones in each major city and to have them never leave the zone would require that remote work is the norm beforehand. If people think that remote work equals freedom they are in for one hell of a shock.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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The World Economic Forum have stated in a white paper that Corporations and Governments will be expected as part of climate action to help move more people into cities. So that "15 minute cities" legislation can be implemented world wide. This appears to be nothing but a long term climate lockdown. I personally think that to have everyone working locally in these 15 minute zones in each major city and to have them never leave the zone would require that remote work is the norm beforehand. If people think that remote work equals freedom they are in for one hell of a shock.
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