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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by nailer »

layer8 wrote: post #132
mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

It won’t be limited to Edge. From the event: Q: Will this be available in Chrome or other browsers? Yusuf: Our intention is to bring it to all browsers. We're starting with Edge. Chrome has to implement some things to make it work, but our intention is all browsers.

That seems odd. What would Chrome not have that Edge does that allows Bing to work?

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by nailer »

napier wrote: post #738
mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

The cordyceps-like elegance of using Googles core browser tech and foundational LLM research to try and flip the tables on them feels to me quintessentially Microsoft going back to it's roots behaviour.

Technically it's KDE's browser tech, that Apple, Google, Brave, Microsoft and others contributed to. People sometimes talk like Google made Blink out of thin air.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by nivenkos »

13415 wrote: post #558
logicallee wrote: post #254

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ChatGPT already mounts a challenge to Google. Today, it: 90%:"absolutely correctly and factually", 10%:"wildly misleadingly but plausibly" succinctly answers specific queries nearly instantly on every subject, usually saving a lot of time and giving satisfying answers, but leaving you wondering "did it that just make that up though?" The 10% of the time it makes stuff up and teaches it to you feels like a very mean-s…

I'm not convinced such a tool has many uses, at least not for me. I almost always search to find a document containing some information. Interestingly, many people I know also often use search to find sites/locations they already know.

A field day for spammers though.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by nailer »

gerash wrote: post #725
WorldMaker wrote: post #487

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Your "dream" there fuels some of my nightmares. You may discount the potentially devasting threat of a possible massive ecological collapse from relying on one single implementation of web rendering because you don't think open source projects can die because "someone has the resources to potentially fork it", but open source is no guarantee. Beyond that, even discounting the threat of ecological collapse due to a si…

Can someone explain what's the whole deal with this "diversity" of browser engines? Do people also like "diversity" in C++ compiler implementations with "diverse" quirks and bugs unique to each implementation? or the diversity of Python interpreters? What's the point other than incompatibility and head ache?

> Do people also like "diversity" in C++ compiler implementations

Not a C developer (and welcome C devs to chime in here) but my understanding is yes. People were really happy when we went from GCC as being the standard compiler to LLVM.

> the diversity of Python interpreters?

Yes, back (a decade ago) when I used to hack Python it was pretty cool to be able to get IronPython and re-use a bunch of .net assemblies in a language I liked.

Right now in TypeScript land people are enjoying deno provide competition to node.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by medion »

Dalewyn wrote: post #709
medion wrote: post #651

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But GPT’s can restructure copyrighted text to make it different enough for it not to be direct theft. It won’t be long till you can get an entire book, feed it in and prompt it to regenerate the book in a different style. Then what happens? Or what about taking books out of copyright, then prompting regeneration in a different style with a slightly modified plot?

If you can prove there was a source and that source was used without appropriate licensing, that is a valid case of copyright infringement and possibly even IP theft. We really need to stop muddying the water surrounding "AI" and their use of source materials. Those so-called "AIs" are just software like any other program, they are tools like any other computer application, and the copyright and licensing legal prece…

Their ability to transform things (art, text, whatever) at incredible speeds, means chasing copyright is going to be a game of Whac-A-Mole. Also, what percentage of transformation of copyrighted works is still infringement? A GPT can ingest a 500 word piece of copyrighted text and either summarise it down to 50 words or triple the word count in a stylistically unique manner.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

arbuge wrote: post #683
CatWChainsaw wrote: post #650

SEO crap ruined search, but you can still search. Asking a chatbot is going to be promoted until you won't have any way to source the answers, and we'll rely on a big corporation's version of reality on the basis of Trust Me Bro. Great timeline, excellent job.

The demo released today cites its sources.

It took a while for Google to neuter search with SEO too.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by awwaiid »

adamrezich wrote: post #602
bavila wrote: post #591

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The meaning of "vaporware" has evolved over time. It originally referred to software or hardware products that were announced or promised to be released, but never actually materialized or were significantly delayed. However, as technology and the pace of innovation have accelerated, the definition of vaporware has broadened to encompass any product or service that is promised or rumored, but has not yet been release…

man that sucks. now it's a useless word, synonymous with "unreleased". remember the Phantom? classic vaporware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Entertainment

I've always thought that until it is actually released, and especially if there is slightly misleading information that it is there but YOU can't try it (but really nobody can but that is downplayed), than it is indistinguishable from long-term vaporware. Both Google's and Bing's announcements currently fall into this.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by infinityio »

nailer wrote: post #751
layer8 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won’t be limited to Edge. From the event: Q: Will this be available in Chrome or other browsers? Yusuf: Our intention is to bring it to all browsers. We're starting with Edge. Chrome has to implement some things to make it work, but our intention is all browsers.

That seems odd. What would Chrome not have that Edge does that allows Bing to work?

The edge-specific integration seems to include a chatbot you can pull up on any page for content summaries / asking questions, I imagine this is the feature in question (although I'd imagine it would work perfectly fine as an extension, with no changes needed)

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by ninkendo »

partiallypro wrote: post #40
mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

Is there a way to use it without Bing being your new tab page? I tried edge once and that’s what kept me from sticking around.

It lets you change your default search provider, but even after doing that, the new tab page is still a big customized Bing landing page with a huge Bing search box.

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