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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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I think this is a dangerous move from the US. If this goes forward I can see an increasing number of countries banning all US social media. Specially since we know very well how close of a relationship they have with TSA and other US intel bodies.

Are we going to see a future where every country/economic block has their own separate social media/search engines like China and Russia?

It's is an attack on users freedom but it could also be a big economic opportunity for those who decide to foster their own internal technological ecosystem.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#752

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That's why I cited median values - so your complaint does not apply, since by mathematical fact a tiny minority cannot change the median appreciably.

People don't seem to understand that median is not a measure that is much better than mean, especially in the case of high inequality. For example, if I take all the money from the 40% poorer population and distribute it to the 40% richer population, the median is still the same. If you don't believe, just compute the mean and median of these two sequences: [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10] [0,0,0,0,5,6,11,11,11,11] Another exa…

>People don't seem to understand that median is not a measure that is much better than mean, especially in the case of high inequality.

Yes, they do. I am a PhD mathematician with decades of work using these tools. I am quite clear on the meanings and shortcoming of all sorts of indicators. I am also aware how real world data trends instead of cooked up examples that don't match reality.

Median is a common value used by economists precisely because it more likely shows what a person makes as opposed to the mean, especially in cases of high inequality.

> If you don't believe

Yes, you can make up all sorts of nonsense. Not a single country follows the distributions you made up.

>Another example that I know fully well is Brazil:

You conclusion does not at all follow from your claim. Or from the actual data.

> so hardly anyone is really making [the median] or close to that

Well, by definition, over half of people make the median or more. Is that hardly anyone?

If you look at the data [1] (income by decile in Brazil), besides the 50% making median income or higher, another 30% of the people make within 30% of median. That leaves 20% of the people making under 70% of the median income.

What is your definition of "hardly anyone"?

Look at the data. Clearly median is much more accurate than mean for explaining how much people make, as this example showed.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1251075/average-monthly-...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

> this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. How were Snowden revelations of USG Bigtech relationship materially different from what's happening here? Maybe it was less transparent? Any "woke" person can see the cognitive dissonance here. It's all fine that you use the geopolitical rivalry argument but not if you try to paint one side of…

Who would you rather give a theoretical copy of all of your digital information? Assuming both have equal access to non-digital you.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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post #368

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> this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. How were Snowden revelations of USG Bigtech relationship materially different from what's happening here? Maybe it was less transparent? Any "woke" person can see the cognitive dissonance here. It's all fine that you use the geopolitical rivalry argument but not if you try to paint one side of…

The US isn't rounding thousands (millions actually?) of civil, political, religious, and other kinds of dissenters and imprisoning, reeducating, or killing them. That's kind of a big difference here. The CCP has mandatory seats on the bytedance board and wants a copy of all the data so they can target people. Spying is bad, murder is next-level bad. Stop it all, but start with the bigger issues first.

The Chinese government can't do anything to me though, while the US government can... So who should I fear more?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Major players going to war with each other means mutually assured destruction. I do not think they will.

Yes but proxy wars are going to be brutal.

I do not want to argue too much here. Here is my point of view - I believe that a single country controlling the world will end up with dictatorship on a world scale. It will not prevent wars either. If instead we have few majors they might actually get to their senses and establish some workable order.

You have your own take on a subject and we do not have to agree

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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post #754

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US isn't rounding thousands (millions actually?) of civil, political, religious, and other kinds of dissenters and imprisoning, reeducating, or killing them. That's kind of a big difference here. The CCP has mandatory seats on the bytedance board and wants a copy of all the data so they can target people. Spying is bad, murder is next-level bad. Stop it all, but start with the bigger issues first.

The Chinese government can't do anything to me though, while the US government can... So who should I fear more?

Both, but protect the most vulnerable first

Speak up for those who can't

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Wow, half of the US population are dissidents. Is that what they call themselves? Is that what the government calls them? Or did you just make it up and it's a word reserved for people in nations you hate?

What an odd reply, suddenly I'm the bad person and I 'hate' people because I want to save them? Dissidents = "Disagreeing, as in opinion or belief" The government in power decides who this is and then acts against them according. The CCP just happens to use lethal force on a massive scale in this regard.

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Yes, zero sum means a gain for one is a loss for another. But you’re not gaining or losing when you buy something. The seller isn’t gaining or losing either. You’re both trading like for like. Again, zero sum does not imply like for like trades are impossible.

>>> The basis of the capitalist system is that price is set based off of worth to the sellers and buyers. Yes, I am arguing purely on price, because the price takes into account many different factors like the liability of holding stock and the utility of drinking with friends. Pricing isn’t perfect. It is typically the same for all. If I hadn’t been drinking water for a whole day, I would probably buy it anywhere I…

So if pricing was perfect the world would be zero sum?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#760
several people here arguing that data collection by CN via TT is worse than by US via FB b/c CN is totalitarian. but wouldn't I as a privacy conscious person prefer my data to be collected rather by a foreign agency not cooperating with the domestic agencies? or to put it bluntly - why would I as a German care about what China knows about me?
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