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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by Shadonototra »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #199
Shadonototra wrote: post #54

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x86 is dead, full of security issues and is energy-intensive smartphones, even embedded devices, including cars nowadays are all on ARM, servers are building momentum too, not because it is shiny, but because of tangible gains on many aspects > Apple is willing to force its partners and customers to make the switch or get left behind. That's not true at all, the chip doesn't matter when you sell software, hardware an…

>That's what Microsoft fanboy don't understand Maybe if you stop accusing people of being fanboys, discussions could be more productive. In fact, your entire post is all trolling, FUD, and no substance or arguments.

We can never complain about Microsoft and Windows, it is always seen as "trolling", FUD, or arguments with no substance, despite everything being already documented and archived for over a decade, I'm not going to turn a comment into a 10 pages essay when you can just with the help of a google search find the documented claims i am making

When you hide the problems, they resurface years later, and here we are!

Apple moving to ARM allows their entire lineup to have a seamless ecosystem, apps runs natively everywhere, iOS/iPadOS/macOS

Microsoft indeed is stuck and had to come up with a full VM to support an OS with a different architecture, and android apps for a different kind of chip! is that FUD? am i a troll? come on, let's be serious!

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by LordDragonfang »

seabriez wrote: post #678
LordDragonfang wrote: post #585

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>i7-1195G7 That's an undesirable generation that lacks efficiency cores and gets barely two thirds the performance of the lowest specced M1, and has 13h of standby time compared to the Apples 18h of video playback . Not remotely comparable, and wildly overpriced comparitively. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-1195G7-vs-Appl...

Im sorry what? i7-1195G7 => 1605 Apple M1 => 1729 2/3s? Are you being a little liberal with your interpretation? I'd say its a wash and pretty much the same thing.

>i7-1195G7 => 1605 ; Apple M1 => 1729

Where are you getting those numbers?

The link I gave has Intel at 10843 multithreaded and M1 at 14653. That's actually closer to 3/4, now that I do the math, but it's also close to half the TDP (and everyone knows Intel lowballs their TDPs). And once again, this is a comparison between Apple's lowest-binned chips (which currently sell in a laptop $400 cheaper than the one you linked) and one of Intel's highest bins (which, even though it's old, is still 6 months newer than the M1)

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by ant6n »

gnicholas wrote: post #673
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> The new Air has everything I want except the HDMI I use a USB-C -> HDMI cable. Works great on my Dell.

What's the best solution for when you take your computer to a conference room that has a male HDMI plug that you're supposed to use? I have a USB-C mini dock, but I'd rather not have to bring that everywhere.

I have a mini dock, less than 100g, that does usb-c to hdmi, vga, dvi. I just have that in my travel backpack. Works with my chrome book as well, and I think iPad too.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by asdff »

reaperducer wrote: post #384
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I was pricing it out, to get 512gb and 16gb of memory its $1700. You might as well save $25 a week until september and buy the m2 pro that comes stock with more memory and storage when they inevitably update the 14 inch and sell it for $2000. Better yet, wait 6 months and buy the refurbished m2 pro for $1700...

You might as well save $25 a week until september The best tool is the one you have, not the one that doesn't exist. In September you could then wait for the M2 MAX coming in June. The in June wait for the M3 in September. I can't imagine telling a client, "I'll get that video to you around Christmas. I'm waiting for another version of a computer that just came out to come out." When it's raining, you want an umbrell…

If you are in the business of returning a video to a client by a deadline, chances are you aren't working on it with this computer placed at the bottom of the lineup with two ports.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by danudey »

seabriez wrote: post #579
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Anecdata here, but I owned an HP Spectre 360 laptop a few years ago and I would never buy another HP laptop again. It cost almost as much as a Macbook, and within ~2 years of gentle use, mostly around the house, it blew a speaker, the webcam developed a purple tint, the rubber strips on the base peeled off, and when I tried to open the case to check for a second M.2 slot, one of the Torx screws stripped and remains s…

M1 Air (especially) has been having screen issues too, including tinting; I've personally witnessed it. I think HP did become really bad around 2012, but they've really picked up their game lately. I've seen some great HP laptops, but you don't need to go with HP. There are even cheaper laptops that are slightly less powerful but still great for what they are capable of.

A few years ago I bought my wife a 15" Spectre x360 as a present (and then upgraded it to 32 GB of RAM once she fell in love with it after a day or two). I went with the Ryzen model, because of how awesome their mobile processors are.

The screen is "nice enough", the battery life is probably fine but she uses it 99% plugged in, the keyboard seems nice enough but it has a numpad so everything is off-centre, etc. It plays the games she wants and runs the app she wants, and it was like $1100, the build quality is good, and it's way faster than anything else we had in the house at the time (with the possible exception of our iPhones).

The only real complaint I have is that it seems as though, by and large, HP and the retailer (CostCo) seem to not really know that this model exists, so when I search for information I have to find the closest model number I can and hope that it's basically the same laptop. Also, spare parts are ridiculous; I paid $50 plus shipping on eBay to a third party from the UK for replacement rubber feet, but it was only one foot. No other official HP parts resellers actually had the part in stock, even though it was only two years old and there were multiple identical (ish?) models.

At least when I want parts for a two (or eight) year old Macbook I can actually find them from someone sufficiently reputable on the same continent as I am.

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Post by seabriez »

api wrote: post #743
seabriez wrote: post #514

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No "dark" patterns he says. Even after all the revelations, iFads just keep mindlessly worship Crapple. When in reality: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf "iOS sends the MAC addresses of nearby devices, e.g. other handsets and the home gateway, to Apple together with their GPS location. Users have no opt out from this and currently there are few, if any, realistic options for preventing this data sh…

I think the argument here is that Apple is better in this area than Microsoft or Google, not that Apple is great. Better than Microsoft or Google on privacy is not a high bar.

I just gave you as a matter of fact statement where Apple sends private information to their servers, and your response is going to be that "Apple is better." Wow, you are an Apple sycophant. As George Carlin said: "Imagine a person of average intelligence, and then know that there are even dumber people than that." Why would someone be so compelled to defend a corporation, even when it's clearly doing so many things wrong. Slave Labor.. Check, Monopolistic Practices .. Check, Shady Deals ... Check.

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Post by philwelch »

traceroute66 wrote: post #713
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Yes but what if he did that to drown out his laptop fan?

> Yes but what if he did that to drown out his laptop fan? Nonsense. The "rule of thumb" is that you are at risk of hearing damage in an environment where you cannot talk comfortably at normal voice level with somebody at arms length away. I have owned many laptops in my time (including Macbooks). I have frequently pushed them hard (e.g. compiling code) to the point where the fans run for extended periods of time. No…

I don't think you understood my question.

You ended your comment with:

> More likely you had the laptop speakers too loud, or you had headphones plugged in which were set too loud.

To which I suggested that maybe he had very loud headphones because he was annoyed by his laptop fan and wanted to drown out the noise. Which, I concede, is probably not the best life decision, but I can imagine someone doing it.

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Post by vitalyx »

msbarnett wrote: post #35
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5 years from now people will grok more fundamentally that launching 2 process nodes ahead of Intel via TSMC was the big win. For now, we'll deal with marketing-ese about how "other CPU vendors have to choose between power and performance" from Apple's head of semiconductor engineering, and posts on this page like the one saying Microsoft doesn't care and Apple's about to take over computing.

They're only 1 process node ahead of Intel. Intel 10nm is roughly equivalent transistor density as TSMC 7nm. The M1 was TSMC 5nm. And given that there's no way a single process node jump is going to give Intel a 75% uplift in instruction per clock (2 nodes wouldn't give them that either, for that matter), Intel is going to have to clock higher for comparable performance and that's still going to put them behind on po…

It seems like people just repeating this over and over but is there anything to back it up? Do we have a 12th gen Intel chip with a known die size and transistor count? Seems like Intel is deliberately coy about this. I gave up looking.
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