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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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No one is arguing about YouTube being forced to do things. People are discussing how sad it is that YouTube has gone down that road.

It’s sad that youtube can choose what content to host? It’s sad that not everyone agrees with all the choices they make? Doesn’t seem sad to me. The alternative, where youtube cannot choose what content to host, seems sad to me.

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Just to break up the angry posts self-radicalizing themselves: This is a good thing. Basically every media outlet mentioned here has a long history of publishing really big lies about important stuff they know to be false for monetary gain. The Hill had to quietly oust one of their own top propagandists recently because of how badly his obvious lies about Ukraine helping to steal the US election from Trump went down…

It's sad to see how many conservative"reeee muh freedom" is in HN. Hope they all get their Herman Cain Awards too

It's sad to me that so many people have been recently conditioned to view real, personal freedom as selfish or moronic.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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"If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine. Putin is much too smart to try to do that." John Mearsheimer, 2015. https://twitter.com/SKalyvas/status/1498073083197931529

Today you and me can debate what "conquer" means, but if policy makers follow his advice, this war won't happen at all. I think that's what really matters.

Nonsense! Putin had always planned to rebuild the USSR. Ukraine, Moldova,... he was going to get them back piece by piece.

Putin's argument that Nato was a threat is just a distraction. There's nothing Nato could do if Ukraine joined Nato that Nato couldn't already do without Ukraine.

Mearsheimer's argument that Russia should be left alone to violate the sovereignty of her neighbours is just bonkers. Thank goodness he was ignored.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Whether it's Huxley or Orwell, they're both dystopias. EDIT>> My mistake, censorship falls clearly under Orwell

Honestly, we are so far into what was considered dystopian in the past century, I don’t know if that even make sense to still use that type of categorization. But to actually answer your comment: 1. A company removing proven disinformation is quite far from what censorship is. Also not really something that would be considered dystopian. 2. I would disagree that Orwell work is about “censorship is bad”. His work is I…

2. It's more extreme than that though. YouTube banned a reputable news source for reporting on a story in which Trump tangentially mentioned election fraud. That's pretty Orwellian imo.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Truly Orwellian double-think on display in that legislation. "Legal but must be censored", "you can speak but not be heard" etc. The root cause of this is that our society has forgotten how to argue for free speech as a moral case. We've taken it for granted for so long, we can't remember why it's good. Meanwhile the enemies of it have spent years steadily attacking it, often with lies (e.g. the numerous fake claims…

It absolutely blows my mind how many of my friends support soft censorship that supports their points of view. I try to listen to podcasts, occasionally, that are contrary to my own beliefs, not because of free speech but rather to make sure that I don’t end up in a “bubble.” Coincidentally, I listed to something by The Hill on YouTube last week and it was reasonably good because they had three people speculating on…

I tell this to my liberal friends all the time. You don't have to listen to the swill on Fox News, but you should at least listen to valid conservative viewpoints to understand why the disagreements exist in the first place, to understand why there is a range of views on any topic to begin with. Living inside a singular viewpoint bubble doesn't help anyone. The same people that insist that human sexuality is non-binary, and runs across a spectrum, hold near totalitarian beliefs on other topics. As a liberal, that attitude makes me sad.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Before internet, the village idiot was just that and laughed off. With internet, they got a group and justified themselves and now people are falling for that.

If these idiots were taking just themselves off the cliff, then sure. But they are taking villagers who cant tell the difference between legit or not off the cliff too.

Even worse, those idiots are turning these misguided villagers onto the rest who know better to not listen to these idiots.

This is a failing of the education system here. But no one is talking about how to really distinguish propaganda from real. Sure they misguided people have freedom of speech, but they are growing like a virus and a virus needs to contained. Social literally has the term "viral" for crying out loud.

The other more important thing to contain would be the medium on which this infection is spreading. Which mean reducing the impact of the feed algorithm. Access to the feed should be limited. Also, facebook and youtube dont want to give up the feed. That is what keeps the humans hooked.

If one part of the body is cancerous, you cut it off. You dont stand around arguing if that part of the body has right to free speech.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Where are you thinking? Iceland maybe, but that would be the exception to the rule.

What are your sources that elections are rigged in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, New Zealand, Austria, Ireland, Japan, Taiwan, Czech Republic?

If they were actually rigged, do you honestly believe there would be a mainstream (government approved) source saying that? There are plenty of sources saying that, of course, just none you would believe. So it's really a rather unfalsifiable position innit? "The election isn't rigged, and anyone saying it is is a conspiracy theorist. But please post a source saying it's rigged."

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Where are you thinking? Iceland maybe, but that would be the exception to the rule.

What are your sources that elections are rigged in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, New Zealand, Austria, Ireland, Japan, Taiwan, Czech Republic?

Well Ireland was made to vote twice on ratifying the Lisbon Treaty. The people's vote got it wrong the first time with a "no", but after suitable re-education they got it right the next go around. Luckily there was no need for a third vote. There's a nice wikipedia article on it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_European_Constitution_re...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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After the mid-terms, any Section 230 protection these companies have is going bye-bye. Any kind of active moderation of perfectly legal speech through 'terms of service'/'community standards' will remove any common-carrier liability shield. Actions like this have turned this into political red meat for some. These companies really need to learn how to read the room. Ratcheting downward the ability of people to freely…

Why would the midterms do this?

In this election year, Republicans will, at the very least, retake control of the House of Representatives, making Kevin McCarthy, speaker of the house. There is also an opportunity for them to take control of the Senate, returning Mitch McConnell to his leadership role.

The far right despises technology companies, and there will be a huge push by their members to bring them all to heel.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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> And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Seems to me like he is very clearly talking ab…

I don't really want to defend Trump, who is proudly stupid and mean spirited. But at bottom, it was a question about whether it was feasible, not a suggestion. And "something like that" in his statement is not necessarily just filler. Read charitably, he could be asking if a similar effect can be achieved with something else. We use some types of disinfectants for broadly similar effects--like mouth wash. In the past…

This is the good faith interpretation.

The more people learn to do this, the further we'll get in our discourse.

I'd love to watch a breakdown of current news stories done with charitable interpretations only. Does anyone know of a news source that doesn't drop down into mischaracterizations of every opposing viewpoint?

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