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Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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GrubHub's Boston office is also forcing employees to return to the office after 2 years of working from home. I think it's asinine.

One of the few good things to come from this pandemic was showing how much work could be done remotely. I assumed we were going to continue in that direction, but I guess these major tech corps want to go back to the way things were.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Personally, I'm 100% down with a hybrid work week. However, I'd like to see companies introduce "remote weeks", i.e. just like ensuring people have vacation days, the company should enable, perhaps 8 weeks per year of remote/offsite work. I'd be a much happier worker knowing I had multiple opportunities to visit distant family for more than a long weekend, travel internationally, do some adventures, etc, as long as I…

Google has announced these too. 4 weeks of work from anywhere, exactly as you described them.

Could be even nicer if they're prescribed all-at-once for all employees, now that I think about it. Similar to how a global reset day is nicer in some ways than an extra day of PTO.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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I think anyone who's claiming that remote work has been "proven" to be better or worse is wrong. There are some studies but they use estimations and proxies, carrying the same flaws as doing performance reviews based on lines of code. We've proven that the big tech companies can go fully remote and not completely crash and burn, that's about it. Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, s…

My teams are spread around the world and I’ve seen much better collaboration since Teams and the camera-on-culture became standard. I guess in-person is nice but it geo-restricts your network.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm never walking down 3rd and Pike again if I can help it.

It’s like 10x worse than before the pandemic too. One side of the street is a permanent homeless encampment / shooting up spot and I get more second hand meth smoke than vape juice walking down it these days.

What causes you to continue walking here?

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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post #84

I think anyone who's claiming that remote work has been "proven" to be better or worse is wrong. There are some studies but they use estimations and proxies, carrying the same flaws as doing performance reviews based on lines of code. We've proven that the big tech companies can go fully remote and not completely crash and burn, that's about it. Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, s…

> Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, some people hate onboarding on a new company as a remote person and so on and so on. My team has been able to hire people from all across the country, gaining access to talent that we normally would not have been able to reach. Because my entire company has gone fully remote, if someone on the team has to take a trip overseas, they can choose to…

All great for you ... but hey lets think of the little people like the shareholders of google... 257 billion in profit in 2021 (share price closed 2800), from 89 billion in 2019 (share price closed 1350).

Hey look it works for them too, everyone is a winner!

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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post #84

I think anyone who's claiming that remote work has been "proven" to be better or worse is wrong. There are some studies but they use estimations and proxies, carrying the same flaws as doing performance reviews based on lines of code. We've proven that the big tech companies can go fully remote and not completely crash and burn, that's about it. Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, s…

> I want to be able to quickly resolve any issues in person, not over voice call or slack.. Isn't this the main problem? I hate everyone who comes barging in and wants to "resolve issues" quickly. Not saying I love remote work, but I cannot stand working a place where people are "allowed" to disturb me. I don't even log into Slack/Teams/Skype or any of that nonsense; I don't even want to be disturbed in my virtual wo…

If you're in a position of some power that's maybe what you'd prefer. I'm on the bottom rung and being able to walk up to someone's desk so they can't ignore me would be extremely helpful. Been WFH for a while and it is not uncommon for people to ignore requests, never reply to messages etc.

Yes that is a problem with my current team, but I can't really do anything about it. Working from an office would mostly sidestep it.

I feel like most people are in agreement - commuting really sucks but working in an office is generally better. I suspect if teleporters existed barely anyone would WFH.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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post #84

I think anyone who's claiming that remote work has been "proven" to be better or worse is wrong. There are some studies but they use estimations and proxies, carrying the same flaws as doing performance reviews based on lines of code. We've proven that the big tech companies can go fully remote and not completely crash and burn, that's about it. Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, s…

> I want to be able to quickly resolve any issues in person, not over voice call or slack.. Isn't this the main problem? I hate everyone who comes barging in and wants to "resolve issues" quickly. Not saying I love remote work, but I cannot stand working a place where people are "allowed" to disturb me. I don't even log into Slack/Teams/Skype or any of that nonsense; I don't even want to be disturbed in my virtual wo…

That's great, but I don't want to work with you, because something you're working on or something you're responsible for is blocking me and I have no way of making progress.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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post #84

I think anyone who's claiming that remote work has been "proven" to be better or worse is wrong. There are some studies but they use estimations and proxies, carrying the same flaws as doing performance reviews based on lines of code. We've proven that the big tech companies can go fully remote and not completely crash and burn, that's about it. Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, s…

It's not about the tech-companies, it's about their employees: many of them simply don't want to come back to the office!

What if many of them switch to companies that allow fully remote working? Google will lose out on a lot of talent and will eventually suffer in the quality of its products.

I personally believe there's no difference in the volume of work produced by people working remotely, providing they don't have small children at home. All these drawbacks are made-up by managers fearing to lose their jobs if workers keep working remotely.

Re: Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other offices from April 4

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post #84

I think anyone who's claiming that remote work has been "proven" to be better or worse is wrong. There are some studies but they use estimations and proxies, carrying the same flaws as doing performance reviews based on lines of code. We've proven that the big tech companies can go fully remote and not completely crash and burn, that's about it. Some people love the lack of commute and less semi-forced hanging out, s…

> I want to be able to quickly resolve any issues in person, not over voice call or slack, and I think that an environment where someone can tap me on the shoulder when they need help leads to overall higher productivity Aside from all the other advantages of WfH that have already been mentioned in this thread (like no commute, healthier eating, more fresh air and exercise, better work/life balance etc), I really don…

> Now with WfH: Let me correct it for you:

1. Ask in Slack/chat if colleague 1 and 2 are avail

2. Colleague 1 is avail, colleague 2 no answer

3. Start call with C1, share the screen... something crash or C1 has network issues

4. C2 is still MIA

5. C2 joins, we work together for 5 minutes, than C1 doorbell rings, they have to leave

6. C1 is back, we work for 10 minutes but now C2 has to go to a meeting

7. you get it..

So, every rose has its thorns...

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