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Post by 908B64B197 »

sdsaga12 wrote: post #726
TravHatesMe wrote: post #544

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You should be upfront about his political bias (which is in his best interest as it is his source of revenue). Don't get me wrong I like his videos but I also like hearing from the other side for good measure. Perhaps it is pedantic to point out that everyone has a political leaning but I think it is good to be upfront so that people can consider the biases of the input in order to make a more informed opinion. Or pe…

I appear to have rate-limited from editing that comment after double clicking on mobile, but this is what I was going to add: Edit: As I note in the linked comment, this channel is openly supportive of the protests. As I also write there, a quick YouTube search will yield a large variety of other sources. The important thing is finding sources with long and unedited footage. As Jacques Ellul observed, "propaganda cea…

Interesting you are getting rate-limited for showing this.

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Post by r00fus »

dmix wrote: post #568
data-ottawa wrote: post #565

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I would argue that you’re misconstruing things. We Canadians had a fairly single issue election in the fall around vaccine mandates and the Liberal party won. The question is not “are mandates allowed” but “can a group be allowed to take cities hostage while trying to overthrow democratic rule.” The issuing of mandates was not even passed through fiat like an American executive order, this government is a minority go…

> 62.3% turnout > 32.62% voted for Trudeau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election

The current ruling coalition includes the Bloc Quebecois and NDP, and they in total have > 50% of the electorate.

Welcome to a parliamentary system where coalitions are often required.

So yes, Trudeau has the will of the majority. Plus 2/3 of Canadians want the protest ended even with military force.

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Post by Banana699 »

bregma wrote: post #673
Banana699 wrote: post #631

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Protests are only legitimate if they have more than 10% percent of the population? So, for instance, no gay pride demonstration was ever a legitimate protest? Some revolutions were carried out by less than that percentage.

Just remember, a self-selected 10% of the population imposing unwanted hardship on the remaining 90% is less of a revolution and more of a tyranny.

It critically depends on what you mean by "impose", I think it's a well known lesson by now (and actually very low-status and cliché to bring up) that masses can be convinced of anything, so the deciding factor is often who has the most efficient consent-manufacturing machines.

You could argue that consent, as traditionally understood, doesn't even meaningfully exist in a population above a certain threshold (say 10^6). Consent implies knowledge and understanding, in a population of 10^6 and up, in even a moderately complex environment, there is no way even 1/10 of the population understand more than their own very narrow slice of what their environment and society are doing.

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Post by BeefWellington »

newsclues wrote: post #600
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

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There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

I have yet to see any data that supports the assertion that Canadians are still happy with masks and other restrictions. The few polls in the news tend to be small sample sizes, and tend to be from biased pools of respondents. Basically it’s not good data it’s just politically manipulated numbers to support their policy.

I don't know that you'd ever find a poll that claimed Canadians are "happy with masks and other restrictions." Believing something to be necessary to minimize death toll and being happy about it are VASTLY different things.

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Post by aaronchall »

jsnodlin wrote: post #149
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

Good, blocking critical infrastructure and affecting hundreds of thousands of bottom lines is a crime.

I'm pro-protestor (in this case) but this guy makes a valid point and I don't see why the comment was dead (downvotes maybe?), so I vouched for it.

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Post by swader999 »

dade_ wrote: post #703
tekstar wrote: post #540

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I am not a fan of Trudeau, but I do live in Ottawa. These are not peaceful protests. It's an occupation backed by our extreme right wing and significantly funded by people in other countries (cough). It's been terrorizing local residents night and day. Too loud to sleep, get harassed if you leave your house, and in one case the occupiers attempted to light an apartment building on fire and trap the residents inside.…

Do earplugs work? I ask because the truckers arrived in Toronto and I worried about 24 hour noise, but then the TPS did their job, and I never needed to find out. As an aside, I actually had a lot of respect for Sloly when he was in TO, so I am completely baffled why he didn’t keep this under control. Any ideas why this went so badly in Ottawa?

Ear plugs and fire arm ear muffs on top would probably be enough to get to sleep. But you would still hear the horns through it.

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Post by [deleted] »

MattGaiser wrote: post #67
nirav72 wrote: post #33

This is definately going to back fire on him and his administration. There weren't any major incidence of violence or rioting. They got the bridge cleared. He should've left it at that and let it fizzle out.

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

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Post by nathanaldensr »

partiallypro wrote: post #469
Jackim wrote: post #54

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That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

Yeah, when have governments ever abused civil forfeiture or called people terrorists in order to skirt the legal process?

How short the memories of our would-be overloads are.

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Post by [deleted] »

swader999 wrote: post #708
JamisonM wrote: post #553

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The current government of Canada was very recently elected in an election that was mostly about the pandemic response and mandates in particular, the notion that this represents some undermining of the democratic process is a bit of a stretch.

Only two out of ten registered voters voted for his party. Vaccine passports and mandatory vaccination weren't in the campaign.

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Post by oehpr »

pm90 wrote: post #617
version_five wrote: post #596

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I think at some level most people know this, certainly Trudeau. But it's much easier to get what you want by pushing the narrative that these are racist, conspiracy theorists who think that vaccines have microchips or whatever other stuff gullible canadians actually believe people think. In my province, we have to show our "vaccine pass" to go to the liquor store, the hardware store, I don't know what else, I dont go…

> And I have to add, if there was ever a vaccine to disbelieve in, it is this one, I mean honestly, it "prevents severe infection" - sure, is that justification for state compelled vaccination? Yes it is.

God. Even more than this. "Why should people, who's profession is driving around transporting goods intercity and internationally, be required to get vaccinated?"

I wonder

I wonder what the reason could be.

Wow what a pickle.

Well I just can't figure this puzzle out.

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