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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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> Yes. If your needs have changed and you don’t want to upgrade to a paid Google Workspace subscription, you can use the Data Export tool to export your organization’s data.

This is such a half assed answer. Data Export won't export my android purchases for example.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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It's sad that the MBA's have finally taken over at Google, and now they have to squeeze every last penny out of their customers (on top of all the ads they sell). The worst part of all this, is most of us casual users just want to do email, nothing else. I personally don't have a high enough volume of email to even warrant paying out for most services.

Why do people speak of MBA as if it is a bad thing? Serious question, in India it is often seen as an extremely prestigious title and its a gateway into a high paying position. Or is there a cultural difference I'm not understanding?

Here it's being used like the pejorative for Accountants or "bean counters" insinuating that all an accountant does is count needless things like beans. (Or so this is the interpretation I've always held).

Here I think the op is saying that Google used to be cool. It used to offer a lot of value for free because search was the golden goose that paid for everything. And now, they're seemingly charging for things they don't NEED to but perhaps the MBA grads now in positions of power and shifting the company into monetise-everything mode.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

#753

It's sad that the MBA's have finally taken over at Google, and now they have to squeeze every last penny out of their customers (on top of all the ads they sell). The worst part of all this, is most of us casual users just want to do email, nothing else. I personally don't have a high enough volume of email to even warrant paying out for most services.

Why do people speak of MBA as if it is a bad thing? Serious question, in India it is often seen as an extremely prestigious title and its a gateway into a high paying position. Or is there a cultural difference I'm not understanding?

certainly in western societies MBAs are also prestigious, in that they are often in charge of large companies, and they of course make lots of moneys for this prestige. But there is a critique of MBAs that says while being an MBA might be good for the individual person, and I suppose for their family, MBAs are harmful to society because they follow harmful behaviors regarding business management that in the end cause those businesses not to serve their customers well, cause those businesses to mistreat their employees, lead to businesses destroying the environment in pursuit of profits, and several other criticisms.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

#754

It's sad that the MBA's have finally taken over at Google, and now they have to squeeze every last penny out of their customers (on top of all the ads they sell). The worst part of all this, is most of us casual users just want to do email, nothing else. I personally don't have a high enough volume of email to even warrant paying out for most services.

Why do people speak of MBA as if it is a bad thing? Serious question, in India it is often seen as an extremely prestigious title and its a gateway into a high paying position. Or is there a cultural difference I'm not understanding?

my understanding as an American its not that MBAs can't be personally lucrative, it's that they are seen as gateways to overbearing management, corporate jargon and BS, profit seeking at all costs, etc.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Why do people speak of MBA as if it is a bad thing? Serious question, in India it is often seen as an extremely prestigious title and its a gateway into a high paying position. Or is there a cultural difference I'm not understanding?

I think a lot of engineers resent that someone could get more responsibility and more compensation than they do without being 'technical'! (Obviously much work in business administration is deeply technical anyway.)

Yeah ... this dichotomy is a false one: both sides need each other. Sales needs engineering to deliver. And Engineering needs sales to have some reason to build/work on something.

Perhaps a good sales person might command the salary of 10 engineers if that sales person can bring in revenue commiserate of that salary. I read somewhere that one's salary is roughly 10% of the value one brings. So if a sales person brings in 10M in revenue common wisdom says pay them 1M. Now for engineers it is harder to value. So perhaps if it takes 10 engineers to delivery the 10M worth of revenue that sales person brought in then perhaps they're only paid 100k?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

#756

Well, this is an unpleasant surprise. Most of my family has been on G Suite for nearly 20 years, under a grandfathered-in free account with a custom domain. Six dollars a month is at least $24 a month. Time for everyone to switch to a free account, or look for an alternative that's just as easy. The hard part will be getting email addresses changed, which is why I chose a custom domain to start with...and weaning peo…

Is it a surprise? It's been almost a decade since Google stopped offering this as a free product. The writing has been on the wall for over 9 years.

Since they stopped offering new free accounts, which I have no problem with.

It’s the retroactive nature that pisses me off.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? People always complain about bait and switch tactics. Give them a way to revert to a free personal account without losing access to their files, data, and any digital goods they may have purchased and let them decide if they want to covert to a paid account or not.

You can always use Google Takeout so you don't lose access to your files.

That's not a substitute for not allowing people to choose between a free account and a paid account.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

#758

It's sad that the MBA's have finally taken over at Google, and now they have to squeeze every last penny out of their customers (on top of all the ads they sell). The worst part of all this, is most of us casual users just want to do email, nothing else. I personally don't have a high enough volume of email to even warrant paying out for most services.

Why do people speak of MBA as if it is a bad thing? Serious question, in India it is often seen as an extremely prestigious title and its a gateway into a high paying position. Or is there a cultural difference I'm not understanding?

I think it is a cultural thing. At first the MBA's bring prosperity by increasing revenues, but eventually the revenues hit the limit, and after that the job of the MBA is not to grow the business, but to optimize the profits. Optimizing profits means making everyone maximally unhappy. If your MBA is not doing that, it just means your business has not reached its limits yet, but eventually it will happen. That in India fewer people deride MBAs might just mean that India is still growing.

Since this is a predominantly technical forum, it is more popular to suggest there might be technological ways to increase revenues or for Google to simply be happy with the profits they make.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

#759

It's sad that the MBA's have finally taken over at Google, and now they have to squeeze every last penny out of their customers (on top of all the ads they sell). The worst part of all this, is most of us casual users just want to do email, nothing else. I personally don't have a high enough volume of email to even warrant paying out for most services.

Why do people speak of MBA as if it is a bad thing? Serious question, in India it is often seen as an extremely prestigious title and its a gateway into a high paying position. Or is there a cultural difference I'm not understanding?

In the US MBAs are taught to value short-termism, so they'll come in, boost a business in the short term (often getting bonuses in doing so) even if it sacrifices long term viability (e.g. loss customer loyalty/repeat business). Then they'll get a golden parachute on the way out as the business starts to crumble.

So when people say "MBA have taken over" they're saying that the business is focused on short term over long term, and is in a downward spiral. It is the anti-Costco philosophy of doing business, and is extremely prevalent.

For example, the old now unfashionable idea was that Customer Retention occurred by treating existing customers well and acting in good faith, this was a long term strategy. The new fashionable idea is just to make it incredibly difficult to quit, it boosts short term retention but makes it so customer re-acquisition is almost impossible (since customers remember how hard quitting was).

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people speak of MBA as if it is a bad thing? Serious question, in India it is often seen as an extremely prestigious title and its a gateway into a high paying position. Or is there a cultural difference I'm not understanding?

I think a lot of engineers resent that someone could get more responsibility and more compensation than they do without being 'technical'! (Obviously much work in business administration is deeply technical anyway.)

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