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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Sharlin »

killjoywashere wrote: post #712
ysavir wrote: post #515

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I think the attitude might be that we should prohibit and punish the behaviors, not the source. If someone is being belligerent or otherwise disruptive in a public space, whether or not they're drinking alcohol should not be a factor. And if someone is drinking alcohol without being disruptive, is there cause to punish or prohibit their behavior?

Except it should be, because alcoholism is in fact a lethal disease all on its own and frequently overlies serious mental health issues, including things like domestic abuse, drunk driving, etc. Where there’s smoke, look for fire.

But this was about public vs private drinking. Many, if not most, problem drinkers drink in private. Cherry-picking some visible issue X, that may be related to a more complex underlying problem Y, just because it's visible, is called window-dressing and is in general a very ineffective way to try to solve Y (and honestly, solving Y is often not even the goal, marketing speeches notwithstanding).

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Post by ddoolin »

rackjack wrote: post #747
ilamont wrote: post #330

In 2019, Frances Hui, a student at Emerson College in Boston, wrote an opinion piece for the student newspaper titled "I am from Hong Kong, not China” (1) and she was subjected to doxxing and death threats: The most jarring comment came from a Chinese student at Emerson, who made Hui’s personal Facebook posts public. In one post, he wrote a comment that translates to: “Whomever opposes my greatest China, no matter ho…

The Chinese government has seeped its way into nearly every facet of American life. This is most visible in Disney movies (see: the Mulan and Lion King remakes) but it is happening to many companies and universities where they use our own greed against us. I hope America will wake up and realize we have fighting a hidden war, but we are so divided I doubt we'll notice until we've lost, if we notice at all.

On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't think China is as successful as they sometimes seem.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Msw242 »

dang wrote: post #742
Msw242 wrote: post #695

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We are all rightfully outraged that a foreign regime is able to impact free expression on college campuses in the US. It strikes me as relevant that we are building a lot of the same infrastructure of our own accord, with strikingly similar justifications. At this same university, anybody can anonymously complain about professors or other students based on what they say in a classroom or lecture hall, and that compla…

Maybe so, but rightful outrage is not a sufficient condition for a good HN thread. If anything, it makes people forget all about the mandate of this site in a rush to express their rightful outrage.

So wouldn't the submission be the problem, instead of my comment linking the issue to developments happening on modern campuses?

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Post by 1024core »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #714
dehrmann wrote: post #656

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdu…

> and he's using the name for an online school Purdue bought. I've read this several times but not sure what it means - what "name"?

I read it as: he bought an online school, and started calling it "Purdue" to cash in on the school's reputation.

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Post by ddoolin »

avgcorrection wrote: post #740
BoxOfRain wrote: post #711

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Beautifully put, what an excellent way to demonstrate what seperates the authoritarian mindset from the liberal mindset.

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What's your point? That doesn't exclude US Americans from offering criticism. We are not all one entity, there's ~300M of us. Many of us had nothing to do with Vietnam and I can damn near guarantee wouldn't repeat that decision today.

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Post by robbedpeter »

ddoolin wrote: post #752
rackjack wrote: post #747

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The Chinese government has seeped its way into nearly every facet of American life. This is most visible in Disney movies (see: the Mulan and Lion King remakes) but it is happening to many companies and universities where they use our own greed against us. I hope America will wake up and realize we have fighting a hidden war, but we are so divided I doubt we'll notice until we've lost, if we notice at all.

On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't t…

Their PR and media game is superb.

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Post by quacked »

beloch wrote: post #739
myth_drannon wrote: post #119

This happens in Canadian universities as well, Tibetan or Chinese students are harrased. Doesn't look like anything is done to prevent it. [ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-tibet-student-e... ]

Money is the root of the problem. Canadian universities depend heavily on tuition paid by foreign students. A huge proportion of those students are from China. If Canadian universities take too tough a stance against this kind of behaviour they could find themselves, either individually or collectively, on the Chinese government's naughty list. Perhaps the degrees they confer might lose their recognition in China, or…

Daniels is a classic GOP leader, as are many of the people beneath him. Use vaguely patriotic rhetoric to take over an American institution, sell out all possible assets to foreign powers for personal profit, retire to country estate. It's been the Republican playbook since the end of WWII.

The pattern of leadership is the same everywhere; the "academic freedom being negatively impacted by a foreign power" you mention is a rot that pervades nearly all American instutions, be they academic or commercial. Have you ever read the biography of Phil Knight, founder of Nike? His incredible business insight was to take shoes made cheaply elsewhere and undercut American labor with it. We're led by Phil Knights in every sector.

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Post by ddoolin »

bllguo wrote: post #721
vaxman wrote: post #637

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this is exactly the white savior crap that much of the world hates from the US. the sheer arrogance to think that even a significant fraction of Taiwanese would be interested in moving to America, let alone the entire populace. And then the gall to suggest _Ohio, the Mojave, and Alaska_. Bit on the nose, don't you think? I don't understand how you think this rhetoric helps anyone. I guess it lets Americans puff out t…

I'm inclined to agree. Half of the Taiwanese in the US live in California and the rest mostly in Texas/NY. They are a highly-educated, modern populace, they aren't going to go "building railroads in flyover country," let alone come here at all. There will be some sort of exodus that will likely be supported by the US gov't but I can't imagine it being anywhere nearing the millions mark.

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Post by lou1306 »

chernevik wrote: post #479
spcebar wrote: post #31

Response from the student: https://old.reddit.com/r/Purdue/comments/ri95tp/in_response_...

Well said: "In my world there's always a place for you; you can disagree with me; you can even insult me; I will not fire back because that is your freedom of expression, however In your world there's no place for me; you want to eliminate me and even my family from the world just because I disagree with your government or your ideology; this is puzzling isn't it?"

This reminds me of a bit of trivia from Italian politics. A few years after WWII, a senator from the main post-Fascist party greeted a fellow senator from the Socialist party (who had fought for the Resistance), saying: "We fought gallantly on opposite sides, now we can shake hands". The other replied: "Yeah, then we won so you could become a senator. If you had won, I'd still be a prisoner".

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Post by bllguo »

siculars wrote: post #748
bllguo wrote: post #721

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this is exactly the white savior crap that much of the world hates from the US. the sheer arrogance to think that even a significant fraction of Taiwanese would be interested in moving to America, let alone the entire populace. And then the gall to suggest _Ohio, the Mojave, and Alaska_. Bit on the nose, don't you think? I don't understand how you think this rhetoric helps anyone. I guess it lets Americans puff out t…

No, no, this is about exactly right. When the CCP comes for Taiwan, the exodus will be on a scale unseen in our generation. It seems your family history has been blessed to not know this sort of existential crisis. For generations now, The US of America is, actually and literally, viewed as the land of salvation and opportunity for millions of people around the world. Do not pretend that it is not.

your appeal to emotion rings hollow. Did I deny that? My family viewed the US as such in the past. No longer, I can assure you. It is precisely because we have experienced life in the US and Asia that I feel that I can actually comment on this topic.

If you seriously think millions of Taiwanese think this of America I would love to see your reaction when you travel there. Ohio, the Mojave, Alaska. Insulting on a whole new level, really.

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