Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016 • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by muddi900 » Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 7:38 AM UTC

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

I don't doubt it, as far as mapping propaganda is concerned, India is the worst offender.

See Kashmir and Askai Chin.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by int_19h » Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 12:03 AM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #663

int_19h wrote: post #287

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> it appears to only be happening in China - which I guess is fair game. I'd say that depends on whether the subsidiary in China is financially independent from the mothership. If Apple in US profits from censorship in China or subsidizes it, it's not unreasonable for US to interfere with that.

I mean - companies are expected to follow the rules of the country they operate in. I guess with tech companies - "operate in" is a little unclear. Someone in China can visit your website (assuming it's not blocked by TGF) - and it might be very difficult for you to know (they could be using some Proxy or VPN). In Apple's case - they literally have stores selling phones in China. AFAIK, that's how most people get the…

It's not an overstep for the US to say "we get to say how American companies behave". This does not translate to "say what devices are available in every country", though - if Apple China can manufacture iPhone by itself, it's welcome to it. Ditto for the Great Firewall. But if the company profits in US from practices that we consider bad, I don't see what's the problem with cracking down on that company.

More abstractly, corporations are artificial legal entities that are created by governments in the first place. So why can't governments restrict what those artificial entities can and cannot do?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by allenleee » Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

vanusa wrote: post #716

allenleee wrote: post #622

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Actually, the Diaoyu Islands belong to Taiwan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands

Actually, that article describes the islands' status as disputed.

False information.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by rStar » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 5:16 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #707

rStar wrote: post #226

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ryandrake your function in this conversation is apologizing for these actions while simultaneously signaling your acceptance. you are more than excusing these actions, you are teaching others to rationalize away the need to be a good person who is kind to others no matter how badly their dictator asks you to treat them. so, ryandrake, i hope you wash all traces of this stench off of your face before you kiss your chi…

You can't attack another user like this on HN, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. You may not feel you owe them better, but you owe this community much better if you're posting to it. Since you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly (and egregiously, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29237513 ), I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome…

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by robocat » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

hogFeast wrote: post #721

robocat wrote: post #710

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> How anyone can become a billionaire as an employee is utterly beyond me. You are thinking of all employees as fungible replaceable units, but employees are capitalistic units that can get monopoly power or economic rents. An employee can provide a function that can’t be replaced, and that employee can capture a lot of the business profits, well beyond their actual “value” to the business. For example, Tim Cook’s pe…

No, I didn't. I said execs are replaceable...and they are. If you replace Tim Cook with a ham sandwich, it will make no difference to AAPL at all. It is very rare (I have never seen it) where the SP will fall because of a CEO leaving, it is more common for it to rise when a CEO leaves. Again, it is important to realise too...there are probably no other CEOs that have made as much as Tim Cook. Even amongst execs, he i…

I would presume that the board know what they are doing: hogFeast why do you presume you are better informed and can make a better decision than they can?

The obvious relevant example of replacing a CEO with a ham sandwich is John Sculley, which the organisation probably still has some fear about. The other relevant example is Paul Allen, a lost decade for Microsoft.