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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by polishdude20 »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #650

With the traffic and gravity that YouTube etc have, they're almost as powerful news broadcasting tools as the classic news media. True, they're a private company and liable for some things, but they all try to squeeze out every last cent before a government intervention. Banning content like crypto, anti vax, gambling etc is understandable, but all the people without a voice will think they are silenced because they…

It's interesting that a TV manyfacturer or a HDMI cable manufacturer is not expected to be liable for the content that streams through their products. But when it comes to YouTube, they aren't treated as just a vessel but as an actual source of content. I think the distinction is just the capability of each entity.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

Does she get flu shots because that has been all about coercion since the ramp up of medical profiteering that started in the 90s. Nevermind that the lethality of influenza precipitously declined in the 40s and isn't a mass killer. Covid is a far more credible threat that shouldn't be ignored so readily.

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Post by distrill »

sekai wrote: post #748
AHappyCamper wrote: post #739

Recently I spoke with two senior scientists with decades of experience who specialise in pharmacology, biology, and vaccines, who both work at high-level labs that inspect all types of drugs. They both were extremely sceptical of the vaccine, with one being openly antagonistic towards it. YouTube's new rules allow them to post content, but they both say they've been warned by their jobs about speaking out - that they…

> experimental drug When do drugs stop being experimental?

Unfortunately, people will be saying "we don't know what happens 10 years after getting vaccinated" for 10 years

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Post by YossarianFrPrez »

AHappyCamper wrote: post #739

Recently I spoke with two senior scientists with decades of experience who specialise in pharmacology, biology, and vaccines, who both work at high-level labs that inspect all types of drugs. They both were extremely sceptical of the vaccine, with one being openly antagonistic towards it. YouTube's new rules allow them to post content, but they both say they've been warned by their jobs about speaking out - that they…

The room for their opinion is in peer reviewed medical journals. Short of conducting their own study, they could, for example, write a dissenting letter to the editor, or submit what's known as a "brief report." Posting to Youtube for clicks and views is to not take seriously their own knowledge. Covid-19 is a very serious issue; on the chance that your two senior scientists have information that the world needs, the appropriate venue is in the medium scientists and doctors use to communicate with each other.

Also, what does it mean to be "skeptical" of "the" vaccine? There are several vaccines. Were they skeptical of mRNA? Viral vector vaccines? All of them? Do they think that the covid-19 vaccines secretly don't work?

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Post by AlexandrB »

babypuncher wrote: post #745
AHappyCamper wrote: post #739

Recently I spoke with two senior scientists with decades of experience who specialise in pharmacology, biology, and vaccines, who both work at high-level labs that inspect all types of drugs. They both were extremely sceptical of the vaccine, with one being openly antagonistic towards it. YouTube's new rules allow them to post content, but they both say they've been warned by their jobs about speaking out - that they…

If there was a problem with the vaccine we probably would have noticed something by the time a billion people got injected with it. These skeptics need to put up some serious evidence if they want to be taken seriously.

I agree. This kind of skepticism-on-theoretical-grounds might have been interesting/valuable a year ago. At this point additional evidence for the vaccine's safety mounts every day as more people receive it. Evidence for the vaccine's efficacy is also mounting[1]. Claims to the contrary would need some extraordinary evidence to back them up.

[1] https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-non...

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Post by AHappyCamper »

babypuncher wrote: post #745
AHappyCamper wrote: post #739

Recently I spoke with two senior scientists with decades of experience who specialise in pharmacology, biology, and vaccines, who both work at high-level labs that inspect all types of drugs. They both were extremely sceptical of the vaccine, with one being openly antagonistic towards it. YouTube's new rules allow them to post content, but they both say they've been warned by their jobs about speaking out - that they…

If there was a problem with the vaccine we probably would have noticed something by the time a billion people got injected with it. These skeptics need to put up some serious evidence if they want to be taken seriously.

But we have noticed problems with it.

https://openvaers.com/covid-data

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Post by belorn »

babypuncher wrote: post #745
AHappyCamper wrote: post #739

Recently I spoke with two senior scientists with decades of experience who specialise in pharmacology, biology, and vaccines, who both work at high-level labs that inspect all types of drugs. They both were extremely sceptical of the vaccine, with one being openly antagonistic towards it. YouTube's new rules allow them to post content, but they both say they've been warned by their jobs about speaking out - that they…

If there was a problem with the vaccine we probably would have noticed something by the time a billion people got injected with it. These skeptics need to put up some serious evidence if they want to be taken seriously.

One major issue was that in the beginning of this year we started with one dose, then went to a second dose a few months later, and then a third dose is starting to be recommended now a few months after that.

There are some serious evidence to back this up. A study done around early summer found that only about 50% of those that have taken two doses had any detectable traces of a defense, which was one of the reason that a third dose had to be added. By winter we don't know how effective the 2 dose or 3 dose will be.

To me that is where the focus of skepticism should be right now.

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Post by pitspotter2 »

lijogdfljk wrote: post #553
mariodiana wrote: post #65

I think we have to ask if this won't have a chilling effect on open discussion by moderate voices. I'm subscribed to the channel of an M.D. on YouTube who discusses COVID-19, vaccines, etc. He is very careful to (repeatedly) point out that he is vaccinated, he has personally vaccinated hundreds of patients, he encourages everyone to speak to their doctor and follow their recommendations, believing that the vaccine is…

Frankly, i applaud this censorship. Granted i'm super left/liberal/pro-vax/etc so i'm _definitely_ not in the camp of anti-vaxxers, however we have for years put all our faith and trust in corporations. Now private entities aren't aligning with a lot of people and they're shocked that corporations aren't the free speech utopia that they once thought. It frustrates me that many of these people didn't care when it was…

What an interesting argument about decentralising. I hadn't thought about it like that before. Thank you!

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Post by AHappyCamper »

clajiness wrote: post #750
AHappyCamper wrote: post #739

Recently I spoke with two senior scientists with decades of experience who specialise in pharmacology, biology, and vaccines, who both work at high-level labs that inspect all types of drugs. They both were extremely sceptical of the vaccine, with one being openly antagonistic towards it. YouTube's new rules allow them to post content, but they both say they've been warned by their jobs about speaking out - that they…

> What the hell is going on when we are silencing senior scientists who are extremely worried about an experimental drug that we're giving to the entire world??! What exactly is “experimental” about a vaccine that has not only been through very robust phase III clinical trials, but has also had literally billions of doses deployed?

The first scientist told me that practically no non-Pfizer labs have looked at it. That is not robust. Usually this stuff gets reviewed by everyone, but in this case, technical info is not available to other scientists who wish to learn more about the vaccine - according to her.
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