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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by sureglymop »

INTPenis wrote: post #339

The discussions about Rogans social responsibility are just silly. He's an entertainer. People need to understand that. But his influence dropping, I'm not at all surprised. I used to follow him until he moved to Spotify. Now I only catch the occasional clip on Youtube. And I've actually forced myself to endure the awful spotify UI for some special episodes like Dave Chappelle. But otherwise I'd rather avoid that mes…

Why are those discussions silly?

He has an incredible amount of influence but he at times has for example insane conspiracy theorists on with absolutely zero considerations about how him "appearing" like a good friend to them will influence his audience. He always ponders to his guests, which makes sure that they trust him and open up.

That might appear to be a good thing but it becomes a problem when you have people with insanely irrational and unscientific ideas on and don't put up disclaimers about their redderick. I'm not saying "cancel him", but I can totally understand why Spotify would want to remove some episodes...

Personally I think it's sad, because he does have the conversational and interview skills to really get a lot of information out of his guests but he let his platform become a stage for insanity.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by dwd »

chimen wrote: post #345

He left a void which is now being filled by Lex Friedman and others. Rogan doesn't even bother placing something about the podcast in title - he just names the guest which doesn't say anything to me so I dropped his show long time ago. Even went that far and send him an email regarding how frustrating it is to just listen to show after show until you find a subject that you like. What he lost with YouTube is their al…

Since he moved to Spotify the number of guests that interest me has dropped. Not sure if his move to Houston precipitated that.

One of the few recent times I've tuned in was the other day with Lex who I tend to listen to more often as his guests are way more interesting.

And Spotify's recommendation engine sucks for podcasting, most of the time it only suggests ones I've already listened to.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by radicalbyte »

tantalor wrote: post #291
radicalbyte wrote: post #239

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I subscribe to Spotify but I dropped Rogan when he left. I have all my other podcasts in one app, listening history and all. Now I have to drop that because Spotify want to play monopoly? S** that.

Scratching my head what "S**" means

The verb "Screw", otherwise known as the PG-13 version of the F-word :-) Hacknews truncated the rest of the *s.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by teekert »

teekert wrote: post #309
seanf wrote: post #275

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I don't understand at all why an enormous company like Spotify is so neglectful of the entire apple ecosystem. Part of this might be the legal friction between Spotify and Apple in the past. Here's an article that describes a coalition that Epic Games, Spotify, and others formed just last year to counter Apple's platform cut. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/epic-spotify-and-oth...

They are unionizing…

What? That’s funny right? Big companies teaming up on another big company because they feel unfairly treated while frowning at unions?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by atoav »

There was a big podcast I really liked and listend 200+ episodes of. I stopped listening the day it moved to spotify exclusively and never looked back.

I understand if content creators want to earn money, but podcasts are made for RSS and musicians didn't really exactly gain from the move. If you are on spotify in addition to the RSS feed: great. If you are on spotify only: You are going to regret this.

What I like about the German podcasting scene is that they recognized this for the most part, and yet they live quite well from donations. They don't need spotify and this is fine.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by pwner39 »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #565
blahblahblogger wrote: post #432

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I didn't like them banning episodes too. There were internal movements from Spotify employees (liberal Silicon Valley workers) who wanted episodes completely censored and removed. Joe talked about it a few times and I read some articles. The irony is that by moving to these liberal employees' platform, he's losing influence :) By creating a crappy podcast platform they've ensured they get what they want and he ends u…

> liberal employees Unless Spotify publicly disclosed which employees said something along with their political beliefs, I think the best we can do here is describe them as Spotify employees. Arguably there are reasons to dislike Joe's podcast for people all over the political spectrum.

Eh, liberals nowadays are much more likely to favor censorship than conservatives, which is ironic considering they're "liberal".

Also, it's Silicon Valley, liberals outnumber conservatives 10 to 1 so he's probably spot on with how he described them.

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Post by makomk »

Clubber wrote: post #703
makomk wrote: post #479

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Except that all the existing evidence suggests your argument is backwards. Whilst Covid-19 vaccination doesn't provide full protection for either the vaccinated or those around them, it seems to be much more effective at protecting the person being vaccinated against severe symptoms, hospitalization and death than it does at stopping them catching and spreading the virus to others. As far as I can tell, literally the…

According to the CDC, each vaccine efficacy at preventing the recipient from catching the virus. To your point they also reduces severity of symptoms. Looks like the J&J one ain't that great at prevention. Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who rece…

That's from the clinical trials, which are like two variants behind what people are actually being exposed to in the wild right now. The vaccines are much less effective at preventing people from catching and spreading the currently-circulating Delta variant than the original one which those numbers were based on. Firstly, they don't stop people from catching the virus nearly as well, and secondly vaccinated people who do catch the virus seem to have comparable viral load and spread it just as well as the unvaccinated. Also, the Delta variant is just better at spreading in general, which itself means a more effective vaccine would be needed in order to prevent everyone from inevitably catching it.

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Post by kamaal »

jgalt212 wrote: post #670
yellow_lead wrote: post #84

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It's even hard to listen to these. I have heard enough of Rogan's "Wow!" and "Really?" to last a lifetime.

yes, to some extent Rogan is a modern day Larry King. i.e. he's a very easy interview in that he allows his guests to say pretty much what they want without too much push back.

In general the easiest to way to make any one like you is to let them to all the talking, and sound like you ask interesting questions about their experiences, which make them and listening audience feel they are intelligent.

There are these anecdotes about Benjamin Disraeli that anybody who ever talked to him felt like they were the most intelligent person in Britain, and at times if there were a bunch people around him, they felt like they took turns being the most intelligent people in Britain.

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Post by StringyBob »

josephg wrote: post #564
dalbasal wrote: post #482

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It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

Yeah, I’m a paying spotify customer and I hate this. And I also hate that the spotify client seamlessly mixes podcasts with music in its recommendations. It’s like a PM somewhere at spotify was offered a cash bonus based on how many podcast listens happen, and they decided that making the app trick people into playing podcasts was a profitable idea. It breaks trust, and makes the spotify app feel adversarial. Like I…

I’m unhappy that Spotify distributes my subscription cash to artists I don’t listen too, I’m even less happy that a large proportion goes towards podcasters I don’t even want as part of the app, and am unable to even hide from the screen.

Hey Spotify: since I haven’t found a good alternative to your service, if I can’t stop your monopoly giving my money to Joe Rogan, can I at least have a ‘hide podcasts’ option?

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Post by nabla9 »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #485
nabla9 wrote: post #364

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> I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. He is the least critical interviewer you can imagine. Being uncritical and hyped up is his trademark. He is Mr. Softball to the extent he is made of fun for it. He is not thoughtful. He has talent of speaking endlessly and keeping it going endlessly.

Sometimes the point of a talkshow is to get the guest to do the majority of the talking. Other talk shows take the opposite approach and the guest is just a vehicle to let the host pontificate. Neither is superior.

Rogan is not critical interviewer.
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