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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by llukas »

echelon wrote: post #722
bstar77 wrote: post #713

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Umm, I tinker on the raspberry pi 4 my son and I share. We tinker on our gaming PCs. We also tinker on our retro electronics (game consoles, computers and receivers). I don’t have any urge to tinker with my phone, iPad or MacBook’s hardware- and that’s why I have them. We do build software via Xcode & Unity, which is an amazing experience, but I’m ok with the hardware being mostly static. This whole “modern computers…

You're not the only person in the world, though. But even more importantly, you shouldn't just think of Apple owners, but the entire economic landscape. The businesses that have to raise prices, the startups that have to fight for app store approval, the people wanting to get out immediate fixes, the experimenters wanting to push the platform further than they're allowed... Nevermind the "famers should own their equi…

> They shouldn't be able to force every company in America to dance to their beat to reach 50% of American consumers.

This reason is exactly why I'm paying Apple premium.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by rdiddly »

thereddaikon wrote: post #658
aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

The fact that you called it sideloading just shows how successful Apple has been in warping people's perception of it over the years. Installing the software you want on your compute device isn't sideloading. Its just installing software. Apple is aberration here not all of the users who just expect to actually own the products they buy.

Has 'sideloading' taken on some other connotation that I'm not aware of? (It wouldn't be the first time.) I thought it was just a neutral term meaning you didn't download it, you didn't upload it, you sideloaded it - you transferred the binaries from some other device nearby and connected by (probably) USB cable. Perhaps after using said device to do the downloading part. I think that concept came from Android though, so if anybody succeeded in warping our perceptions, it was Google this time!

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #681
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #35

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The bar is simple: If they allow third party apps at all, they're already providing those APIs, and must allow competitive use of them.

And that will be the end of third party apps. Apple will hire devs to make apps, and then you're not third party, and no more royalties....

It's hilarious to believe Apple would sacrifice their entire platform to avoid having to compete. This is nonsense. Apple will, like any profitable business, try to glean as much profit as possible and fight against any change that would lower that profit (including doom and gloom scare tactics about what it would mean), until the law goes into effect...

...And then they'll comply with it, because it's still plenty profitable to do so.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by jimnotgym »

If a locked down app store is necessary for say safety, perhaps a good analogue is a water utility company. A water company has a monopoly in an area, due to the impractical nature of duplicate infrastructure. However, in return it may be heavily regulated in terms of its safety and pricing.

If you have to have a single app store then their prices should be regulated, and crucially there should be proper recourse for developers denied access to the platform

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by baxtr »

aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

I really don’t get it. On what basis should a regulator step in? If you don’t like to be part of a closed system, feel free to use Android. Many people actually like the way things are, including me. And, I do even have 2 apps in the App Store and don’t mind paying for what I get a good value for.

In the end, apple is a private company serving its customers. They can’t please everyone. And that’s what I like about them.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by enos_feedler »

jimnotgym wrote: post #754

If a locked down app store is necessary for say safety, perhaps a good analogue is a water utility company. A water company has a monopoly in an area, due to the impractical nature of duplicate infrastructure. However, in return it may be heavily regulated in terms of its safety and pricing. If you have to have a single app store then their prices should be regulated, and crucially there should be proper recourse for…

The difference between regulating the price of water and the price of an app is the innovation curve. You can regulate the price of water because the creation, distribution and consumption of H20 hasn't changed in a long time. Meanwhile, every June Apple shows up with new APIs that developers can use to tap into the billions of hardware R&D they've invested for that year. Regulating price here is stifling innovation.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by MrScruff »

zpeti wrote: post #12
aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

One of the absolutely obvious hypocritical things for me is that they don't allow anyone to say in their app that "Apple gets 30% of this fee" That's the equivalent of the IDFA message for Facebook. Which everyone will see, its worded in a very negative way, and it's a must.

The IDFA warning is useful to the consumer. How is the business contract between Apple and the software developer of interest to the consumer?

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Post by herbst »

herecomestracer wrote: post #745
908B64B197 wrote: post #737

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I would trust Netflix. Other companies? Not so much. The App Store (and reduced API surface) was a true revolution for the customer. Remember every app installer requiring admin privilege on Windows and creating it's service that runs at startup checking for updates, littering the registry and sometimes installing drivers? All gone from the App Store. If the app maker doesn't like it he can go target another platform…

> I would trust Netflix. Other companies? Not so much. Missing the point. Sure, many users will trust the Netflix app, but we only need one trustworthy app (like Netflix) to open the gate for all other kinds of untrustworthy apps to also skip the check.

How so? Android is still asking every single time you install a non market app, spooky enough that nether my mum nor my gf consider clicking proceed without asking someone if they should.

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Post by orangecat »

dmitriid wrote: post #712
Dma54rhs wrote: post #677

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It's depressing that even on hackernews where you expect people want to tinker and have control over their machines there's a probably a majority who are happy with the situation and use the think of my grandma (aka children) using iPhone situation. There could be numerous ways for Apple to let people run their own software or other stores without giving your grandma malware.

> It's depressing that even on hackernews where you expect people want to tinker and have control over their machines there's a probably a majority who are happy with the situation I am happy with the situation for one simple reason: it just works. I hve to many things to deal with and tinker with elsewhere. I honestly don't want to tinker with my phone.

I honestly don't want to tinker with my phone.

So don't? People seem to have the idea that in order to use Android effectively you have to rebuild the kernel every week. If you treat a Pixel like an iPhone, it works like an iPhone.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by echelon »

llukas wrote: post #751
echelon wrote: post #722

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You're not the only person in the world, though. But even more importantly, you shouldn't just think of Apple owners, but the entire economic landscape. The businesses that have to raise prices, the startups that have to fight for app store approval, the people wanting to get out immediate fixes, the experimenters wanting to push the platform further than they're allowed... Nevermind the "famers should own their equi…

> They shouldn't be able to force every company in America to dance to their beat to reach 50% of American consumers. This reason is exactly why I'm paying Apple premium.

You want me to pay 30% just for the opportunity to reach you? And to have to do more work since there are no portable standards?

How is this good and not cruel?

What a burden on our economy.

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