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Post by pfisch »

Izkata wrote: post #656
alsetmusic wrote: post #653

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> Why are you not mentioning any Republicans? That’s a good point. It’s not like Trump’s holdings weren’t fed a line of patrons while he was in office. Seems odd to leave out the most prominent and recent example.

Trump didn't make money off of the presidency, if anything he spent (2016-2017) or lost (2020) wealth: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/forbes-400-donald-tr...

I honestly think you'd have a hard time finding any politician that made more than trump from his office. Mar a lago was literally a place to go pay 200k so you could lobby trump.

His re-election campaign ran out of money! How could that even be possible without massive embezzlement!?

His fake stop the steal con pulled in over 200 mil! Most of that is going to end up in his pocket.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by chandra381 »

simple_phrases wrote: post #94
beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

Weird, I distinctly remember Twitter, Facebook and Google removing Islamic religious content under the guise of stopping terrorism a decade ago. What I don't remember is the current free speech absolutist crowd objecting to such censorship. In fact, I remember them cheering those companies on.

Because they are largely hypocrites. In fact a lot of them identify more with the capitol rioters being delatformed and are scared that they could be next in line, and this was not the case with ISIS for example.

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Post by swarnie_ »

hooande wrote: post #719
wdn wrote: post #642

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If you see how much wealth the politicians, especially the one holding important position, you see why they want the job for a merely $200,000 a year. Clinton and Obama got very wealth after their presidency. Pelosi wealth goes up many fold for becoming speaker of the house. Not only their wealth go up, everyone around them got a lot wealthier too.

Fame has a direct financial value. Any US president is among the most famous and well known people on earth. trump will make more money from speaking appearances than he did from any of his businesses over the last several decades

This is what I've never understood about post presentient lives.

People like Trump and Bush can barely deliver a speech or speak coherently, who is paying to hear them attempt it??

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Post by drcross »

swarnie_ wrote: post #753
hooande wrote: post #719

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Fame has a direct financial value. Any US president is among the most famous and well known people on earth. trump will make more money from speaking appearances than he did from any of his businesses over the last several decades

This is what I've never understood about post presentient lives. People like Trump and Bush can barely deliver a speech or speak coherently, who is paying to hear them attempt it??

People who want to say to their friends that they were in the same room as those people. It's social capital.

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Post by epakai »

foolinaround wrote: post #611
epakai wrote: post #587

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I find them harder to separate in the capitol incident. The event they were attending was named "Stop the Steal". At some level people there were invested in a tenuous narrative about how functional our elections are. It's obvious they did not all commit crimes, but they somewhat tacitly encouraged what brought it about. I generally don't feel the same way about BLM activists. There were situations in BLM events wher…

there were 70M+ that voted for Trump. estimates say about 1M folks were somewhere around in DC A few thousands walked to the Capitol A few hundred got into the building There were known provocateurs from the other side..not an opinion, charges filed against Antifa and also a CNN reporter who was recorded being excited about the whole thing. Yet, you paint all of them with the same brush...

My comments were specific to attendees of the Jan. 6th event. I would assign (varying) culpability to a large majority of that group for the events that followed. 70M have varied reasons for choosing one of two candidates, but people who attended "stop the steal" event have mostly self-selected as buying into an absurd take on our election process and safeguards.

I see one alleged provacateur, John Sullivan, acting on his own volition because he's been rejected from groups for his violent behavior in Utah earlier this year. So far identified and charged participants don't support the early fabrications about the attack being an anti-fascist operation.

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Post by missedthecue »

swarnie_ wrote: post #753
hooande wrote: post #719

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Fame has a direct financial value. Any US president is among the most famous and well known people on earth. trump will make more money from speaking appearances than he did from any of his businesses over the last several decades

This is what I've never understood about post presentient lives. People like Trump and Bush can barely deliver a speech or speak coherently, who is paying to hear them attempt it??

On trump, I agree, but Bush? Didn't you see Bush's eulogy for his father? He is a skilled public speaker, in spite of his infamous gaffes.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

lostlogin wrote: post #675
Izkata wrote: post #656

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Trump didn't make money off of the presidency, if anything he spent (2016-2017) or lost (2020) wealth: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/forbes-400-donald-tr...

His tax returns show he didn’t make any to start with - or possibly more accurately, he just avoided saying he made any money and thereby didn’t pay any tax. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-tru...

I’m betting he did his taxes right and really is just insolvent.

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Post by missedthecue »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #503
airstrike wrote: post #464

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Terrorism is committing violent acts targeting non-combatants for political goals

That’s a bit loose. Terrorism aims to inspire terror, those violent acts have to be extreme and indiscriminate to do so.

That seems like the loose understanding between the two. Were the 1944 USAAF bombings of Krupp Stahl works terrorism? They would be according to your understanding.

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Post by missedthecue »

g8oz wrote: post #300
_-david-_ wrote: post #251

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A couple cops were killed by blm rioters. Sure they weren't capital police but they were still police. ACAB was all over Facebook and Twitter which at a minimum raised the temperature and hatred towards cops.

Do you have links? I only heard about the Boogaloo right wing extremists using the cover of the protests to kill police in Oakland and Santa Cruz. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings

There was the Dallas shooting in 2015, murdering five and wounding many others

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Post by austincheney »

tsimionescu wrote: post #749
austincheney wrote: post #736

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> to control and/or regulate the tech giants What is it exactly that qualifies Facebook to be a tech company? A database? A website? They display advertising.

Perhaps it is the fact that they are one of the largest employers of software engineers in the world.

That’s it? Expedia employs over 15000 software engineers, far more than anything else, and they aren’t a software company. Samsung has more software engineers than most tech companies have total employees and they aren’t a software company.
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