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70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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I doubt this. I'm on Parler and frequently see posts (I presume from left leaning folks) trashing the right side (e.g., Trump). Those posts are allowed with no issues. It is true that most opinions are right leaning (some viciously so), but that IMO reflects more on the members than on the moderation policy. Discussions on Twitter have a similar mix (left leaning to rabid Trump bashing), and I honestly don't find any…
Actions speak for themselves. The right isn't a unified block. There are traditonal conservatives: god, guns, limited government. Mitch McConnell, David French, Mitt Romney, Charlotte Lawson. I fundamentally have different values from these people, but their perspectives are useful, enlightening, and reading their viewpoints causes me to better defend my own, or even occasionally change. They are staunch defenders of…
Yep. I was just trying to discuss with another user on this site who seriously claimed all conservatives have been banned from Twitter. I proposed a smorgasbord of conservatives who haven’t been banned—George Bush (mainstream neoconservative), the Koch brothers (business libertarians or paleoconservatives), Ron Paul (moderate libertarian).
Their response was that none of these were “true conservatives”. Their proof was an article by the Cato Institute (brainchild of the Koch brothers, ironically) saying Bush was not a conservative. Well, duh, that’s my point. A wide variety of conservatives with distinct ideologies have not been banned.
None of these people have been banned. Why? Well they aren’t creating mobs who storm the Capitol chanting that they want to lynch Mike Pence.
Claiming Twitter is banning conservatives is flat out wrong. Twitter is banning terrorists who assaulted our Capitol.
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...
Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...
There is a huge difference between a platform censoring/banning you and a community on the platform censoring/banning you. No irony involved. That subreddit is just trying to have discussion among like minded people without trolls and brigaders disrupting everything, they are a highly targeted subreddit for those acts. Reddit as a platform still exists for you and joining or making new communities is possible at the click of a button. Contrast that with having to create your own platform which is prohibitive, or migrating to another platform (if one even exists), which is also prohibitive.
And now we have a most recent grievance of a group getting removed from all platforms, creating their own platform, only for it to be removed from existence by mobile devices and web infrastructure dropping it.
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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You still cannot threaten physical violence. This imaginary prospect that 'free speech' includes threats is stupid. And of course any individual still can block you. It is literally the same as Twitter.
> It is literally the same as Twitter. Pretty much. What I find troubling is that despite containing the same cesspool of vile content, Twitter never got booted from Google and Apple App stores, and AWS.
> What I find troubling is that despite containing the same cesspool of vile content, Twitter never got booted from Google and Apple App stores, and AWS.
The difference being that on Parler the 'cesspool' as you call it is all there is, or at least it is the main attraction.
On Twitter it is easy enough to find, but an average user mostly does have to go looking for it, or at least be following someone who goes looking for it. Twitter also does make efforts to drain the cesspool, although it can certainly be debated whether those efforts are sufficient or even being made in good faith.
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...
Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...
/r/conservative moderates their platform to accept all types of conservatives, including the authoritarian "let's spend all our money on the military and censor everything we don't like" types.
They also took in an massive influx of new users after the_donald was banned which permanently changed its discourse.
And as the biggest right-leaning political subreddit, r/conservative also took in an influx of people posting death threats and insults due to its visibility. Examples are occasionally screenshotted by the moderators, and I'm not surprised they moved to 'flaired users only' to keep up with moderation.
Smaller government, free-speech conservatives on Reddit tend to hang out in more libertarian subreddits.
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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> The data is public now—if you're so certain, go find me a single post on Parler calling for mass executions. Easily done: https://imgur.com/gallery/nHb2lO8 Some of these are Verified users - Parler has their Drivers License and Social Security number, and yet they still felt secure in brazenly violating the law like this.
Hey, spoiler alert for people regarding that link -- there's some very strong, graphically violent language. Don't click if you're not in a good head space at the moment.
i think its good to see it so people understand that there are literally millions of other americans that actively want them dead
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
#757I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…
One of the founders (with big money) was Rebekah Mercer, owner of the Breitbart News.
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
#758When you purposefully leak private data, you no longer get to hide behind the title "Security Researcher".
The term is also being used in Wikipedia's reference to this event.
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…
I think the difference is that r/politics doesnt actually ban you for posting something conservative, its just the users deciding they dont like it. I dont use it either way due to their horrible link rules, but there is definitely a difference in my opinion.
You're silenced by moderators or you're silenced by users. I don't see much difference in the end.
Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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HN doesn't start users shadow banned - just look for the green new-account usernames. Your account didn't start shadow banned either. Here's your first comment, visible to all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25410162 New accounts are more likely to get shadow banned, especially if they post many comments with links or post inflammatory remarks.
When you make a new account and view a thread You post in for the first week to so, gour comments are absent absent unless you are logged in. That’s what a shadow ban is. It can be removed and it happens to every new hn account I’ve ever seen. It gets removed after a week or so. That “inflammatory” post about a game prototype you linked was not visible for even a second in that thread until a week or two had passed
I never claimed your post was inflammatory. It does, however, contain a link. What the link is to doesn't matter, but accounts that post links in their first comments are likely to be automatically tagged as spam, which I'm guessing is what happened to you. It doesn't happen to all HN accounts, as you can see by all the brand-new green accounts posting in political threads lately.