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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by dragonsky »

GlennS wrote: post #610
awb wrote: post #562

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> Bernie sanders brags about occupying government buildings. Would he be held to the same standard? OAC praised BLM protesters marching on the White House a few months ago, with Antifa trying to breach police lines and storm the White House. This is "what about"-ism. It deflects responsibility and puts the focus on other's behavior. In this philosophy for one side to accept that what they did was bad, it requires eve…

> leader of the free world Always a rather arrogant phrase, but especially absurd now.

As a member of the "Free World", not a citizen of the US, can I please be exempt from being lead by the US and any of its leaders.

There was a point in time when the US was seen as having some degree of leadership, mostly because it's military power. These days I think it's seen by many as being a bit of a bully boy only useful in keeping some degree of balance with the other bully boys.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by 127 »

trustfundbaby wrote: post #279

I was on the fence about this, but reading the comments convinced me it was the absolute right decision. The fact that all these institutions just allowed this horrible hateful speech for four years, in the name of free speech etc, despite all the harassment, harm (mental and otherwise) it caused to so many people in America actually emboldened so many to the extent that now that they crossed this invisible line, the…

Falsely imprisoned man is angry and lashes out, which proves he wasn't falsely imprisoned in the first place.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by lliamander »

bilbo0s wrote: post #743
lliamander wrote: post #715

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The left (including prominent politicians and media figures) are more than willing to provide cover or excuse political violence conducted for their side, and left-wing extremists used FB, Twitter, etc. to coordinate their actions over the past summer. This is not about removing "hate". This is about removing political opposition. The WalkAway campaign's FB page was removed, despite no violent content. The Articles o…

I'm one of those people who has always loathed both liberals and conservatives, but the attack on the capitol went way too far. You guys want to march around and yell in the streets, I actually don't have a problem with it. I find it annoying, but as long as you're not killing anyone, I don't care. However, you want to go into congress and subvert the Constitutional order? Yeah, that's a whole different issue. I'm so…

> I'm sorry if the conservatives can't understand the difference between BLM people yelling in the streets, and Trump people searching the capitol for senators and representatives to stop a Constitutionally mandated vote count.

That is manifestly not the comparison being made. Antifa and BLM rioters burned down apartment buildings with people still inside in Kenosha. Over the summer, dozens of people were killed and there was billions of property damage (that's peoples homes and livelihoods, not just "stuff"). And Democratic politicians - including the VP-elect - provided bail for these criminals. Many democratic DAs in cities like Portland simply refused to press charges.

That being said, I abhor that Capitol police were attacked and that there were people who breached the Capitol with violent intent. But the deplatformings have gone well beyond the fringe few who actually engaged or promoted violence.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by slg »

roenxi wrote: post #746
slg wrote: post #740

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>How many guns, bombs and zip ties? Was it even enough protestors to be called a minority who bought bombs? Stop and take a second to listen to yourself. Is there an acceptable numbers of guns, bombs, and zip ties that are intended to be used on the leaders of this country?

No, there isn't. But there is also no reason to assume that a protestor with no gun, bomb or ziptie is equivalent to one that has one. Lone wolves and troublemakers out to get Congresspeople exist. There might be a few in the mob. But the mob itself isn't made up of people like that. This is the same logic that was being applied to protestors all through 2020. It is hard to get away from the BLM protests being peacef…

How many "lone wolves" do you see in this clip[1]?

No one is saying that every member of that mob had intentions to kill. There is no doubt that some people in the mob did and they got shockingly close to having the opportunity to do it.

[1] - https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1348334770103660553

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by canoebuilder »

npunt wrote: post #454
trustfundbaby wrote: post #279

I was on the fence about this, but reading the comments convinced me it was the absolute right decision. The fact that all these institutions just allowed this horrible hateful speech for four years, in the name of free speech etc, despite all the harassment, harm (mental and otherwise) it caused to so many people in America actually emboldened so many to the extent that now that they crossed this invisible line, the…

Your point about the 'invisible line' is astute. We're in a crisis of perception and reality right now, and this has caused many to lose sight of the very real lines that we have agreed upon to preserve society and democracy. I think the other important factor here is we are in a very vulnerable moment right now because we are in the midst of a transition of power. It takes time to transfer the apparatus and operatio…

Thing is you can dress it up with ideas of vulnerable moments and apparatus and operations and a uniquely challenging time and all this. But this isn't about Trump, this isn't about now, this is about precedents. If something new and extreme is being done, almost always some extenuating factor will be found to try to justify it.

Trump is an unfortunate edge case and has set bad precedents that can hopefully be wisely washed away in time.

We need clearer and consistent norms in the digital space that are seen to embody the fundamental civic aspects of the nation from which this digital space arose. Such as equal access to certain things, the "dumb-pipes" model for the certain baseline trappings of modern society. Whether or not that means stripe here, I'm talking about the broader moment.

We don't want an escalating tit for tat of one bad thing leading to another. If the violence this summer had been dealt with more soundly, voices of leadership tamping it down instead of egging it on, it seems a good bet the recent activity at the capitol would have been more tame.

Similarly, we don't want to respond to a grasping, ineffectual, quasi-autocrat in the executive branch, with more effective autocratic tendencies in the techno-social sphere.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by eecc »

systemvoltage wrote: post #481
npunt wrote: post #454

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Your point about the 'invisible line' is astute. We're in a crisis of perception and reality right now, and this has caused many to lose sight of the very real lines that we have agreed upon to preserve society and democracy. I think the other important factor here is we are in a very vulnerable moment right now because we are in the midst of a transition of power. It takes time to transfer the apparatus and operatio…

I am also worried. It feels like Big Tech flourished in last 4 years with advertisement revenue while staying hush about these issues, but all of a sudden they have an epiphany now. Big Tech leaders are selfish, cowards, clueless and just as vulnerable as the government leaders. They were interested in milking billions in Ads from these hate speech, particularly Twitter. If I were employees at these big companies, I…

Yeah, they’re cowards - a bit - but let’s be honest they’re in the business of making money, not political activism (besides boilerplate corporate facade.)

Had they acted earlier they would have been punished heavily by the Trump clique, and most likely ousted by their own shareholders, to be replaced by executives that would have done precisely what they have done

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by craftinator »

mjevans wrote: post #501
baumandm wrote: post #467

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Unfortunately I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that a large percentage of people across the political spectrum lack basic civics knowledge.

We make people take a test to drive. People should have to take a Civics based test to vote. If someone wants to vote but fails the civics test, they should then immediately qualify for a minimum living wage job to go back to public education and get paid for getting at least an 80% grade at whatever grade level they're working at (obviously with either enrollment at lower grade levels, classification as disability i…

> People should have to take a Civics based test to vote.

This has been tried in the US before, many times; some were Federal, but most were state and county level. You should probably read up on it before pitching this idea anymore, because it has never been a good thing.

Also, it's Unconstitutional.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by colejohnson66 »

mjevans wrote: post #511
bmarquez wrote: post #395

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You can direct message @tmobilehelp on Twitter and you get access to the same representatives that respond to public complaints, without actually having to publicly complain. I'm not sure if this is intended behavior (or if it works with other companies), but it solves my problems quickly.

I don't use Twitter; at least I don't have an account with them. I do view some public twitter feeds others publish. Does hacker news count as social media? This might be one of the only social media accounts I have.

HN is technically a news aggregator with a comment section, but I’d say that qualifies as social media. I’m sure some would disagree with me.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by roenxi »

slg wrote: post #754
roenxi wrote: post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there isn't. But there is also no reason to assume that a protestor with no gun, bomb or ziptie is equivalent to one that has one. Lone wolves and troublemakers out to get Congresspeople exist. There might be a few in the mob. But the mob itself isn't made up of people like that. This is the same logic that was being applied to protestors all through 2020. It is hard to get away from the BLM protests being peacef…

How many "lone wolves" do you see in this clip[1]? No one is saying that every member of that mob had intentions to kill. There is no doubt that some people in the mob did and they got shockingly close to having the opportunity to do it. [1] - https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1348334770103660553

0. That looks like a mob fighting police. If there were a few more yellow vests it could be France. A few more chants of "All cops are bad" and it could be footage from 2020.

There are no pipe bombs. No guns. They do not deploy zip ties.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by alew1 »

roenxi wrote: post #739
tessierashpool wrote: post #729

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> what is the evidence for this? > > ...this is a not a mob out for literal blood. No, this was 100% a mob out for literal blood. There is a STAGGERING amount of evidence. There's video of a large crowd of the rioters chanting "hang Mike Pence!" They erected a gallows with a noose outside the Capitol. There's video of people yelling that they came to get Pence and Pelosi. Squads of milita wore tactical armor and helm…

> No, this was 100% a mob out for literal blood. There is a STAGGERING amount of evidence. 100%? Literally all of them? Every one? I'm not looking for a metaphorical response here. Which parts of your response are backed actual evidence and which parts are assumptions based on your instincts and filling in blanks?

(Pretty sure 100% in that sentence means “certainly.”)
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