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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by disown »

jp57 wrote: post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

Censoring a president is far greater a threat to the republic than some silly protest. People like you exploiting a silly pathetic protest to justify censorship is the threat to the republic. I'd rather have the protests than censorship by tech companies.

It is not for a bunch of unelected tech elites to decide whether our elected leaders speak. That's not their job. Once we hand over that power to a bunch of tech elites, then we have the end of the republic.

Nobody voted for Amazon, Apple, Google to be our hall monitors.

If there is a "threat to the republic", then it's the job of the political leaders and law enforcement to deal with it. Not Tim Cook, not Zuckerburg and certainly not the idiots at CNN, foxnews or other media companies.

The collusion between tech and news industry is the greatest threat to the republic. Not some pathetic protest that amounted to nothing.

Have you ever bothered to ask who elected the tech industry to be our masters? Do you really want a bunch of unelected tech elite controlling our lives? Do you want these people to be lords over our elected leaders?

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Post by Triv888 »

ascales wrote: post #10

The only way they would've made this deadline would've been to delete all of their posts. I'm not upset in the slightest about them being gone, but I can kind of see the argument about how the app store is deciding how someone uses their phones here.

Is it really your phone? You can't even be root.

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Post by Tokkemon »

salimmadjd wrote: post #538

Anyone looked at the three sample complaints? 7 upvotes, 2 upvotes, 5 upvotes. For context, the post (I'm guessing he is a co-founder or some senior person at Parler) John Matze has 34,000 upvotes. These posts seem like bad or manufactured examples. What prevents a competitor from sending a few people to post these things to eliminate competition? Or worse. Who remembers Knew Knowledge faking Russian bots to smear a…

Don't plead ignorance. Parler is as bad as 8chan with some of the most vile and despicable chatter I've ever seen in my life.

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Post by Tokkemon »

bedhead wrote: post #153

All roads lead back to about half a dozen companies. The concentration of power is astonishing and terrifying. They have all of the US, maybe even the world, checkmated. Nothing good will come from this.

I don't worry about it because it means incredible value and competence from those organizations. If the web was a fractured mess of providers it would be impossible to find the good ones. Now, it is in these large companies' best interest to provide a safe and reliable internet service.

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Post by Tokkemon »

listless wrote: post #508

It seems like Parler gives law enforcement an easy way to track these folks and see what they’re planning. Is it really a good idea to send them underground? I’m also reading a lot about how you can’t incite violence. We should all be able to agree on that. What concerns me is that many used Facebook/Twitter over the summer to plan riots, bombing of federal buildings and even seceding from the USA in Seattle. The pro…

The difference is this event was the heart of the government being attacked by another branch of the government. That crosses a line from though-experiment to existential threat.

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Post by ianbutler »

I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits.

I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence or speech that discriminates against people for immutable characteristics of their person, both of which I know Parler harbors in abundance. I think there are simply some ideas that are too repugnant to not rebuke.

That said I don't like how centralized we've become on these existing platforms either. Monopoly on communication means it's too easy to let that window slide on what is acceptable speech to limit.

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Post by loceng »

ve55 wrote: post #4

It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

There was a thread I saw on thedonald.win - a popular pro-Trump self-hosted Reddit fornicate - where a commenter stated that Twitter's action of banning Trump itself was an act of inciting violence. The problem is I'm not sure you can reason with illogic like that, especially people who're angry and have been manipulated for years to decades to more or less blindly hate, lacking critical thinking and/or integrity behind their thinking - and will more than likely be quickly ban if calmly pointing out the definition of inciting, and likewise pointing out that Twitter is a private platform - and the internet is reflexively neutral in America.

You're correct though the deplatforming will be inflammatory, but the self-made bubble filter these communities of like-minded people are already on a runaway train that's only going to stop when real world circumstances don't allow them to just ban the confrontation digitally, when reality will hit them.

As I posted elsewhere, there's a lot of healing necessary due to multi-generational dis-ease progression - healing to open people's hearts and minds, so they can develop their critical thinking and logic that's influenced by the heart to develop empathy; I discuss this further in a comment from yesterday - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25702673

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