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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by jusssi »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #590
MauranKilom wrote: post #479

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> You mean, the things a tiny handful of people post there. Most posters are center-right and don't advocate violence. Do they also condemn or apply moderation to violence being advocated? Or is it condoned? Honest question, I have not even remotely invested enough time (nor do I plan to do so) to understand this facet. > I've reported lots of such tweets and sometimes they're taken down, other times, not. I agree th…

I'm saying that violence is not condoned on the Parler platform. I was a moderator for a while and this is quite specific. You can get on there and say Trump is an idiot or Trump is a saint and you will not be silenced. But you can't say "so-and-so should be killed" that's a total violation of TOS and will get you removed from the site.

I'm not familiar with Parler, but places like that in general, people just find the closest of threat / incite that passes moderation. And everyone who frequents there knows what is implied.

My personal "favorite" of such: "this country is not safe for you". Not a threat, just stating a fact.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by kuzimoto »

cygx wrote: post #695
bra-ket wrote: post #635

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I'd argue it further isolates users in those liberal echo-chambers from hearing a different opinion. Given the heavy left leaning media bias it leads to free speech being free as long as it doesn't disagree with the 'party line'. I.e. the same dynamics as in communist Soviet Union where 'enemies of the people' were ostracized and persecuted by totalitarian regime.

Given the heavy left leaning media bias Note that Fox News remains the most-watched cable news network - though online, it ranks after CNN and NYT (and possibly others, depending on the metric).

Because Fox is the primary "mainstream" news source for conservative viewers. There are many more left-leaning news networks so their viewers are more divided. The majority of remaining news channels/networks/etc. have liberal bias.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by ars »

dageshi wrote: post #419
zaroth wrote: post #177

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I don’t paint every Democrat as a supporter of the violence and property damage that happened over the summer. I think the vast, vast majority of people believe in non-violent protest and giving people room to express their views and hurt and frustration in non-violent ways. I think politicians and the media is largely responsible for trying to paint groups they don’t like with an overly broad brush, and we should ou…

There seems to be a poll floating around that 45% of republicans supported the storming of capitol hill. Of course polls can be twisted to deceive, but if we take that at face value, that is not a small "fringe"?

My personal poll of around 20 Republicans found only a single supporter. Sure that's not scientific, but that's such a difference I doubt the number is that high.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

ng12 wrote: post #734
rorykoehler wrote: post #707

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What would you do?

Leave it alone. Reddit did the right thing early on by minimizing /r/td spam on the front page. Aside from that I'm convinced there were no problems posed by /r/td or /r/donaldtrump aside from those invented by the small, vocal minority of pearl-clutchers complaining that someone somewhere on Reddit was posting things they disagreed with.

An interesting thought exercise is if the whole thing which happened would have been avoided if they were allowed to stay on reddit. They were driven to another site, and I can say for sure the level of extremism was unchecked in comparison by their own community at that point. On reddit, they at least were exposed to more formalized community moderation as well as regular influx of more level headed people who often tried to talk sense into some of the more extreme members. I think some good faith efforts and ground rules were in place on the new site, but a lot of this insurrection shit seems like it would have gone very differently on a more public facing reddit subforum.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by stale2002 »

viro wrote: post #560
mef wrote: post #469

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citation for the top websites by traffic? (not seeing them here https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/US )

OP likely posts to the site regularly. An thinks the site is an excellent place full of patriots that just so happens to want to stop an evil ring of pedophiles that just so happen to be filled with all of Trump's political enemies.

You can look up the stats yourself.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thedonald.win

Over the last 90 days it has gone from a global Alexa Rank of 6000, to 2400. And is apparent about 400 in the US.

In my subjective opinion that is a large amount of growth.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Damorian »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #737
Damorian wrote: post #689

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And the last 6 months of race riots? I'll take a few smashed windows and pictures taken in congress over tens of millions in burned and stolen property, assaults and murders in basically every city in the country. "Only my side's political violence is acceptable." That's what I get from facebook.

The BLM protests — the overwhelming majority of which were peaceful [1] — stretched over 6 months and involved thousands of events and millions of people. After all that… 19 people died [1]. The terrorist attack yesterday exceeded a quarter of that death toll in a matter of hours. I don't know how to explain that invading our nation's capitol with the intent of capturing and murdering politicians is different than br…

I appreciate you taking the time to tell me how to think. I know what I saw both locally and on TV. You can give me as many bubble-filtered thoughts as you like, but you're trying to convince me that I saw and experienced something that I didn't see and experience.

Let me know when I can't get my wife's medication again because right wing ""terrorists"" smashed up my pharmacy, or when parts of my city are completely off limits for violence, or when one the teachers in my school district gets arrested for assaulting somebody filming them burning a car. I'm not losing sleep over congress getting delayed for a couple of hours. I'll keep my perspective that all political violence is bad, and that I want little to do with politics in general, but one side of extremists in particular has caused more problems for me than another.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by mcphage »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #502
eertami wrote: post #484

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It unequivocally is in no way relevant. Sure, if these people you mention had invaded the white house with weapons and make-shift bombs then it would be a fair comparison. However that didn't happen, it is a completely false equivalence. I simply don’t know what to say to you except to please re-examine your humanity as well as your critical thinking skills.

>"I simply don’t know what to say to you except to please re-examine your humanity as well as your critical thinking skills. " If you're worried about logical fallacies like Whataboutism, you've just committed an Ad Hominem. Why go there? Why question my humanity?

> If you're worried about logical fallacies like Whataboutism, you've just committed an Ad Hominem.

That's not what an Ad Hominem fallacy is.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by slg »

rcstank wrote: post #623
nemothekid wrote: post #489

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Immigrants can't vote. Only citizens can vote.

Immigrants are citizens. Unless you're referring to illegal aliens.

Do you legitimately not know the differences between these various groups? There is a lengthy process that takes years to become a citizen and only citizens can vote. There are a variety of legal options to come to the US to study, work, and live without becoming a citizen.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

cygx wrote: post #653
zdragnar wrote: post #438

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Until they throw moltov cocktails and explosives, or set buildings on fire, or permanently blind you with a high powered laser. Use of violent tactics is not particlarly novel on either side

But note that as far as the US is concerned, in the past couple of decades, right wing extremists have killed a significantly greater number of people than left-wing extremists (eg. the CSIS credits them with 90% of all extremist killings in the timeframe 2018/19). They also lead by number of plots - though by body count, Islamist terror still takes the lead for the obvious reasons.

"I am particularly concerned about white supremacist violent extremists who have been exceptionally lethal in their abhorrent, targeted attacks in recent years" said (now-former) acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf in DHS's most recent domestic threat assessment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/homeland-secu...

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by [deleted] »

davesque wrote: post #647
kr99x wrote: post #601

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So you're okay giving someone else the power to declare something "a threat" and sacrificing your rights to neutralize it? China is perfectly happy to declare all kinds of opinions threats to their way of life and disallow them from being spread. What's different? You are not thinking it through . An imperfect analogy to help make the point: You can't put a backdoor in encryption "just for the good guys" because ther…

Your analogy doesn't hold up. "Encryption" is not a place or a thing. It's a fact of nature. It's a mathematical truth. Anyone can take advantage of it once it's been discovered and disseminated. That cat cannot go back in the bag. The US government is a unique thing that we risk losing control of if we don't act now to defend it. Social media platforms are single things or entities that can revert policies once a si…

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