this shitty move would be neutralized if you own Google stock.
YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them
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This sounds like a pretty straightforward cause & effect here. Creators went for direct monetization outside of youtube instead of ads, and youtube responded by keeping their net income the same by just showing ads anyway. > But at the same time, there are people who have so heavily invested into the YouTube ecosystem with certain expectations for a very long time, and pretty much have their entire business on there,…
I agree with most of what you're saying, but I worry that Youtube's effective monopoly means that there just aren't other hosting platforms with the same kind of user base and discoverability. Perhaps their current pricing model is fair, I have no idea. But being the de facto video hosting site gives them tons of power. They have the ability to extract extra value out of their users---much more than a non-monopolized…
You yourself admit that Youtube is a platform that provides you with great user base and discoverability. That's also the exact reason what every other platform uses to charge 30% (Steam, Apple Store, etc). So why is it expected here for Youtube to give away all that for free, and allow you to completely turn off all the ads making them zero dollar, while you are having your content hosted for free and making money externally?
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>it'd be nice if they offered a way for creators to pay for YouTube hosting so they can continue to offer their channels ad free This. I work with a small art organization, and we've started to put our artists videos online (we couldn't have an event this year). Youtube makes it easy. but like flickr they put ads in and there is no way to get rid of them. If we could pay for the service we probably would. I'm not sur…
Vimeo serves the paid, ad-free video hosting niche. They're probably celebrating this latest announcement from YouTube. YouTube has the advantage of organic traffic and discovery, though. Nothing stopping you from uploading the video to both services for the best of both worlds.
This is like being on Play Store vs distributing the app yourself. You're paying a cut for the eyeballs and distribution Youtube provides.
The alternative would be for you to pay Google their share of money they would've made if they had ads enabled on your channel, which would be proportional to how many views your video gets. It makes sense since these channels have their own in-video ads which they make money from, and Youtube isn't getting a cut of that, it's similar to how app stores don't allow apps to have their own monetization which bypasses theirs.
That being said, having the creator payback Youtube depending on the number of views creates very weird incentives...
If they were harsher, they would've disallowed in-video ads completely and force channels to use Youtube ads.
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HN has a similar feature, but it’s more of a bug
I've never seen that on HN. Reddit intentionally changed their website to prevent you from seeing comments after a couple replies without logging in.
I was making a joke about how some of the larger HN threads the replies span multiple pages and it's not immediately obvious you need to click a link to get to the next page of comments
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Being eligible to monetize doesn't look that intimidating? https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72851?hl=en Not sure how many small creators both can't manage that but can manage external monetization?
1000 subscribers? You can sign up and make more money from 3 patreons than 1000 yt subscribers, what are you on about?
That depends on the amount of content you post. 1000 people watching a reasonable length video might only be $1-2 per video, but 10-15 videos a month would be $10-30. That can be more than 3 patrons.
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1000 subscribers? You can sign up and make more money from 3 patreons than 1000 yt subscribers, what are you on about?
That depends on the amount of content you post. 1000 people watching a reasonable length video might only be $1-2 per video, but 10-15 videos a month would be $10-30. That can be more than 3 patrons.
Most people I know using Patreon post weekly, with maybe 2-3 posts a week. That includes 2nd-tier content like WIP and polls. Patreon requires a substantially smaller commitment, but it's more difficult to find patrons than viewers.
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It's also key to note that had Cable NOT pushed ads as far as they had, they still would have been disrupted . It was a rational decision, since revenue today is often worth more than in the uncertain-for-so-many-reasons future. It's part of why you can't rely on the market or competitive forces alone, if you think something is an issue of public good, you need regulation.
If they didn't show ads I doubt they would have cared as much about time shifting and ad skipping would never have been relevant. Sure would have helped them avoid collapsing. Let's not pretend they weren't incredibly hostile to watching shows you're paying for already, when you want to and without the ads you paid to avoid, even though they didn't need to even build any infrastructure for it. Add the rest of their a…
And none of that would've prevented Netflix from being a more convenient option that let you watch on many more devices, etc. Especially because the early hook here for Netflix streaming wasn't "watch the stuff currently on cable" it was "watch back catalog stuff that isn't anywhere else right now." So that would still get Netflix in the door, and then once they start doing first-run content, game over in the same way. Nobody would want to buy and set up Tivos or Slingboxes and LAN setups and all just to turn their existing cable subscription into a Netflix subscription when they could just buy the streaming subscription separately.
Sure, the cable companies could've theoretically made Netflix streaming before Netflix did - and the broadcast networks kinda-sorta-tried-this with Hulu - but that had nothing to do with their ad load increasing over time. Hulu was way more convenient than watching the same shows on cable even with ads still! But to go all in on a reinvention towards streaming would've been a huge gamble even seeing the streaming train coming right at them.
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1000 subscribers? You can sign up and make more money from 3 patreons than 1000 yt subscribers, what are you on about?
That depends on the amount of content you post. 1000 people watching a reasonable length video might only be $1-2 per video, but 10-15 videos a month would be $10-30. That can be more than 3 patrons.
Yeah - but you dont need to post weekly content with patreons, you can get by with monthly given the subscription, and tbqh you can probably do bi-monthly with many types of subscribers - supporting instead of expecting content.
Also with 1000 subscribers you dont guarantee 1000 views, just potential views.
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You can use ffmpeg to convert your video to HLS/Dash format and host it behind your run-of-the-mill nginx webserver as static contents. Then on your webpages, just use hls.js [0] to embed those uploaded videos in a webpages. hls.js will handle adaptive bitrate automatically, so the videos should load pretty fast for your visitor, though probably not as fast as youtube since they have edge servers everywhere, but stil…
Thanks, I think I'll do a combination of this with a fallback to downloadable MP4 and inline video tags for clients without Javascript. You say to convert to HLS/Dash, does hls.js support both? Pros cons of one other the other? Make sense to do both?
HLS seem to be the more popular format these days and browsers seem to start supporting it natively. I said hls/dash because both formats offers mostly the same benefit compared to just simply embedding mp4 files directly. You can use hls.js for hls and dash.js for dash, or video.js for both.