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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by smsm42 »

snaky wrote: post #713
smsm42 wrote: post #698

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No, that's not true. If the law mandated running content filtering system that costs $10M/year to run (in addition to any existing systems), then it'd be worse for YouTube, but they will survive. It would absolutely kill smaller providers dead.

Free, decentralized, federated competitor platforms are not small providers.

Unless by participating in free, decentralized, federated platform you expose yourself to legal liability for any content present on the network and passed through your node. In which case you probably can't afford it.

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Post by abraham_lincoln »

0x5f3759df-i wrote: post #711

>However, those backing these provisions say the arguments above are the result of scaremongering by big US tech companies, eager to keep control of the web’s biggest platforms. This is the most hilarious quote in the article. The only thing this will do is entrench massive players like Google and Facebook who already have these systems in place. I honestly cannot comprehend how anyone could support this law while ha…

So maybe Google and Facebook were lobbying the EU politicians?

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Post by nothrabannosir »

isostatic wrote: post #748
jules wrote: post #729

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> I honestly cannot comprehend how anyone could support this law while having any understanding of how the internet works. These are the same politicians that brought us the law that forces every website to ask EU visitors permission to store cookies with a big fat modal dialog, so I don't think you need to worry that people who any understanding of how the internet works supported this law. Imagine all the time wast…

> These are the same politicians that brought us the law that forces every website to ask EU visitors permission to store cookies with a big fat modal dialog No it doesn't. For example https://news.ycombinator.com/ Does not have any such dialog

And to preempt the pointless but inevitable thread to follow: it also wouldn't need the dialog if it were based in the EU.

How do I know? I don't. Maybe it does track users. But the website was used as a counter example to "forces every website", and a hypothetical news.ycombinator.eu which doesn't track users or keep any PII on them (conceivable by any reasonable person) is acceptable as a counter argument.

The point stands. GDPR doesn't force anything. It just prevents you from tracking people silently.

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isostatic wrote: post #748
jules wrote: post #729

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> I honestly cannot comprehend how anyone could support this law while having any understanding of how the internet works. These are the same politicians that brought us the law that forces every website to ask EU visitors permission to store cookies with a big fat modal dialog, so I don't think you need to worry that people who any understanding of how the internet works supported this law. Imagine all the time wast…

> These are the same politicians that brought us the law that forces every website to ask EU visitors permission to store cookies with a big fat modal dialog No it doesn't. For example https://news.ycombinator.com/ Does not have any such dialog

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Post by yurishimo »

gnulinux wrote: post #601
rrcaptain wrote: post #537

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Are you joking? HN is owned by YCombinator, one of the most powerful companies in the Valley. If it's Mom and Pop, than so is Mitt Romney's hedgefund.

It's not about who the mom is, or whether she is a billionaire. HN is read mostly by tech workers, which is probably not more than 5% of US population and probably less than 1% of internet users. These numbers are out of my ass, but is there any indication that HN is mainstream media? HN is a niche media like my sister's blog.

I think 1% of the USA is generous. We're talking about mostly programmers and software engineers here. I doubt the level 2 tech support at Comcast is reading HN, much less any significant percentage all IT workers.

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Post by dang »

xoa wrote: post #675
dominotw wrote: post #439

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> may decide that it's just not worth the cost of compliance. You cannot not comply with it though.

Where the hell did this ridiculous talking point come from? Do you actually know what "law" even is? Of course someone in another jurisdiction can blow off law from another polity if they feel like including when dealing with that polity's citizens, and in turn said polity can try to pursue action against them. But if they do not travel their and have no asset exposure there and their own country has a reasonable lev…

Please don't be uncivil in comments here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by sparkzilla »

adrianN wrote: post #663
sparkzilla wrote: post #297

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A bit challenging to sue a project when it has no owners and no jurisdiction. PS: Jonathan Strange: Great books and even better TV.

Somebody has to host the content. You can sue those people. P2P filesharing works the same way. Normal people get unfriendly letters from lawyers.

And yet people still download Torrents.

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Post by adrianratnapala »

untog wrote: post #739
linuxftw wrote: post #724

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> Do these politicians really not understand the awful implications of these filtering systems for free speech and fair use? They believe what their wealthy donors tell them to believe. It won't affect the well connected politicians in any measurable way, they'll still be wealthy. Meanwhile, independent organizations will suffer while the big players get all the sweet licensing deals. Regulations are ALWAYS about pun…

Does the EU have a problem with wealthy donors? I've heard this criticism levelled against US politicians and it's justified, but in this case I think it might just be sheer ignorance on the part of the EU legislators.

Everywhere has this phenomenon in some guise, it's only the US that's self absorbed enough to think it is unique.
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