What I Heard from Trump Supporters • Hacker News Board

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by austenallred » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 1:47 AM UTC

mozumder wrote: post #728

austenallred wrote: post #679

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Are you speaking from experience?

I can confirm. Growing up in the south, as a non-white, it's not if you've been mistreated, but how many times PER DAY. Your identity is that of an outsider. You're not part of the white culture. It's so common that it just becomes the usual part of life, and you deal with it from there. You are definitely lacking any idea of the experience of other races. Mormons, they go around house-to-house trying to convert peop…

I've only been in the south a handful of times, and it definitely seems much more racially charged. Utah was so insular that we never even talked about race, even when there were minorities around.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by freehunter » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 1:49 AM UTC

Cookingboy wrote: post #619

freehunter wrote: post #338

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There is a black and white defining line that is very commonly used and everyone can accept exists: birth. There is before the moment of birth and there is after the moment of birth. Termination before that date is called abortion, termination after that date is called murder. Very clear defining line. To put it another, slightly less controversial way: do you agree that a 17 year and 11 month old teenager is the sam…

"I would also like to point out that no one has ever had an abortion "for no reason at all" and shame on you for trying to squeeze that one in there." I grew up in China, people there have abortions ALL THE TIME, sometimes just for reasons like changing mind about having a kid last minute. I didn't think too much about that. But now thinking about it, it does seem messed up to me and no, I'm not squeezing that one in…

That's very clearly not "no reason at all" though. They didn't want a kid. That is a reason.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by nodesocket » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 1:49 AM UTC

Yhippa wrote: post #40

This one gave me the most pause: > “Silicon Valley is incredibly unwelcoming to alternative points of view. Your curiosity, if it is sincere, is the very rare exception to the rule.” Substitute "Silicon Valley" for any major liberal enclaves, like universities and cities, and I think you see the same thing. I am skeptical by nature and try to take a scientific view of new ideas. However I feel like I get shouted down…

Unfortunately San Francisco is one of the most intolerant areas in the entire United States when it comes to political ideology. Metallica's James Hetfield (a bay area native who just left) said it best [1]...

"They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them."

[1] - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4053156/Sad-true-Met...

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by freehunter » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 1:50 AM UTC

jimnotgym wrote: post #439

freehunter wrote: post #279

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>They are illegal because the system is so broken. They're illegal because what they are doing is against the law. Broken system or not, it's still illegal. >Just because something is set in law does not make it morally right. No, but it does make it the law, and breaking it is still illegal. Morals are grey, while law is much more often black and white.

>while law is much more often black and white. Really? Why does so much time get wasted in litigation if law is black and white? In the case of an immigration law, was the law made in accordance with the constitution? What about the Geneva convention? Should you obey a law that is unconstitutional? What if it was brought in without due process. Doesn't sound black and white to me. [Add your own black vs white joke ab…

Next time before you comment, you should look up what "much more often" means.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by freehunter » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 1:54 AM UTC

jstimpfle wrote: post #405

freehunter wrote: post #338

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There is a black and white defining line that is very commonly used and everyone can accept exists: birth. There is before the moment of birth and there is after the moment of birth. Termination before that date is called abortion, termination after that date is called murder. Very clear defining line. To put it another, slightly less controversial way: do you agree that a 17 year and 11 month old teenager is the sam…

You are confusing what the current law is , with what the law could , or should be, based on accepted moral values.

Leglislating on moral values is incredibly dangerous. Remember that a lot of people want their religion to be the official religion because they have better moral values. Remember that a lot of people want gay marriage to be banned because of their moral values. Remember that a lot of people want black people to have fewer rights because of their moral values.

We constantly fight against legislation on moral values, because morals change dramatically over time. Legislation based on resolving actual damage is much longer lasting, and there are plenty of pro-choice arguments that are based on mitigating or eliminating actual damage.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by dboreham » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 1:57 AM UTC

spinlock wrote: post #647

mikeash wrote: post #351

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I do think that the Democrats should give up on gun control. I generally agree with their stance on it, but it's just not that important. I see so many reasonable people who agree with Democrats on nearly everything, but love their guns. Some of them hold their noses and vote D. Many of them refuse to, because they really love their guns, even though they lean that way on almost everything else. I completely disagree…

democrats have given up on gun control. you'll notice Obama didn't really grab any of them

Anti-gun-control nuts have not realized this.

Source: listening to my gun nut friends on FB.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by nradov » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 2:00 AM UTC

MK999 wrote: post #663

intended wrote: post #498

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What is there to debate on vaccines? The mechanism are known, I've studied it in basic biology classes, and all doctors have studied it in detail - you can too. The process by which our body deals with a vaccine is based on the same processes it uses to deal with any invader (and then building a repository of responses to handle such cases in future). If you don't have the time to look into it yourself, you can consi…

Vaccines sometimes cause grave injury and the vaccine court pays out. Some people aren't so keen to press their luck.

It's more complicated than that. Sometimes people suffer grave symptoms after vaccinations but it's almost impossible to prove causation. Many cases are probably pure coincidence. I suspect the court often pays out just to help out someone in a tough situation.

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by mozumder » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 2:07 AM UTC

austenallred wrote: post #751

mozumder wrote: post #728

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I can confirm. Growing up in the south, as a non-white, it's not if you've been mistreated, but how many times PER DAY. Your identity is that of an outsider. You're not part of the white culture. It's so common that it just becomes the usual part of life, and you deal with it from there. You are definitely lacking any idea of the experience of other races. Mormons, they go around house-to-house trying to convert peop…

I've only been in the south a handful of times, and it definitely seems much more racially charged. Utah was so insular that we never even talked about race, even when there were minorities around.

Do you think the minorities talked about race and their experience with racism in Utah?

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by dboreham » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 2:10 AM UTC

PKop wrote: post #389

As a Trump supporter many of the comments resonated. In regards to upholding and celebrating American culture I always have this thought: Why do silicon valley types promote the concept of a "company culture" and feel it's important enough to base hiring decisions on, while demeaning those that want to uphold and sustain their own country's culture in the same manner? You hear it time and time again when a CEO stress…

Um. Doesn't "American Culture" consist of things like being welcoming of all people? Being inclusive? Allowing people their own individual freedom? Not having a caste system? Lack of a social class system?

So people who want to uphold these cultural elements of America are viewed as the most hateful people?

Or perhaps we're talking about some different aspects of American culture here?

Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by dboreham » Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 2:21 AM UTC

CM30 wrote: post #680

kneel wrote: post #52

Trump won largely because of disenfranchised blue collar caucasians resonated with him. Watching the witch hunt over the last 2 months you would think it would be anything but that. Fake news (just call it propaganda), russian hackers, 4chan memes and white supremacists have all received the majority of blame. I'm curious to whether the Democrats will ever come to terms with reality here, or will they just double dow…

Probably double down, because the alternative is accepting that what Trump was offering genuinely appealed to a large amount of people. That's what the Democrats don't get, that people weren't tricked into voting for Trump but thought/think he's more likely to improve the US and his policies could work. It's like the situation with the anti Brexit people in the UK. They physically can't picture a situation where peop…

This "everyone was disenfranchised with their plight under neoliberalism" argument is pure popycock.

It is akin to saying that the people buying Snake Oil from the guy who parked his wagon downtown this morning, telling everyone he has the cure for cancer, are doing so because they have become disenchanted by the medical profession's lack of progress in curing cancer.

No, they bought the Snake Oil because they are gullible.