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That is how it should be in principle. In this case, the problem is not the political system, it is the politics. (In other words, you get what you vote for.)
Except I didn't. Neither did a majority of my fellow voters.
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OK, but they explicitly mentioned that non-Muslims from the target countries are exempt from the ban. What do you call that?
Can you provide the source please? BBC says that the minority will have a priority e.g. Shia in Yemen.
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#753Why is that all of these posts saying to "take a stand" fail to explain the political process? I'll just quote myself here. If you want to help stop trump the most effective ways are to: 1. Call - Local congresspeople (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/) - Senators (https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/) - Local officials (https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) 2. Participate - Get involved in local electi…
You know who really needs to take a fucking stand? The low-level workers at these airports who are enforcing this bullshit ban. They need to grow some spines and start ignoring bad orders, no matter who they come from. "I was just following orders" was never an acceptable excuse to do the wrong thing.
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How is me saying "fuck people who voted for bigotry because it won't affect them" a "flavor" of bigotry? Are you saying that white Americans would had been okay with Obama campaigning on harsher policing for white people and their kids because he also spoke about lowering taxes or giving everyone access to healthcare? You people keep coddling these bigots or bigot-ajecent people and telling us, the people most affect…
> How is me saying "fuck people who voted for bigotry because it won't affect them" a "flavor" of bigotry? Because you are indiscriminately labelling all Trump voters as racists. > Are you saying that white Americans would had been okay with Obama campaigning on harsher policing for white people and their kids because he also spoke about lowering taxes or giving everyone access to healthcare? I do believe many white…
I wish you the best, I really do. I hope the pressures from silicon valley and the people change things for the better, but we'll see how that plays out. If this first week is any indication of the next four years, we're in for a constant bombardment of our sensibilities. Daily they will say something that we know is a lie or put forth something that will hurt people and say it doesn't. Pretty soon we'll be thinking "am i the crazy one?"
I have an Iranian friend whose parents are visiting and they'll be leaving soon. If this ban becomes the norm there is a good chance he'll either never see them again or never be allowed back into this country where he came for a better life.
I choose not to sympathize with those who constantly put people in power to oppress me and my loved ones. Again, fuck them and fuck him too.
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I was talking about this last night with my wife and she mentioned she saw some statistic showing Christians were, until now, de-prioritized and actually given refugee status at a disproportionately low rate compared to their population in the ME. I don't have a source, but thought this might be useful to bring up. It sounded like this was why he did that.
Christians are being specifically persecuted in some Muslim countries, particularly in those areas under the control of ISIS. Shouldn't we prioritize people who are the victims of religious persecution.
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Yes. Instead of another round of finger wagging, maybe the left should figure out what they can concretely offer the local population left out from the globalization boom.
Health insurance? If all those who previously didn't have it and got it thanks to Obama had voted for Clinton, Trump wouldn't have been the president. Too many of them didn't and instead didn't vote, or voted for Trump.
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You are drowning in your own bias. Everybody who disagrees with you is stupid?
No, obviously not. We can disagree on all kinds of things. What we can't disagree on are facts and figures and historical lessons learned about walking certain paths. If we fail to learn from the past we will repeat it endlessly and I really could do without a repeat of the path that we are currently on. But who knows, maybe the world just needs it's population reset every half century or so, we're overdue. With the…
Politics is not an optimization problem, it's not about finding the "optimal" state of affairs or whatever.
It's about hopes and dreams. It forms the horizon of the destiny people imagine for themselves, both individually and collectively.
It's also about virtue, morality, sacrifice, etc.
You may sneer but the masses do not.
This is why Democrats lose. They have no vision. What they offer right now is the same boring, stagnant, soul-less status quo, guided along by accurate reasoning about facts and figures.
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The most effective action tech companies can take is what they did against SOPA: post large protest banners on popular websites. Though I don't think this is the right time to take that step. There are many outrages ahead, many will be directly related to tech, like killing net neutrality, forcing tech companies to compile Muslim registries, banning tech worker and student visas, and who knows what else. I think tech…
Tech companies can also leave the states. Taking the amount of tax revenue they pay abroad will make a much stronger point than adding some banners, and that's before you factor in the deskilling of somewhere like the bay area if the tech companies leave. Of course, too many of the mostly white male tech company founders and investors are hoping to benefit from things like reduced corporate taxes to care about discri…
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#760Things companies in tech can do: - Demand to see the detailed plan for TrumpCare. What's it going to cost us? What will it do to our employees? Where are the details? That's what lobbyists are paid to find out. Employers have a big stake in this. - Demand to see the tariff plan. So far, it's all talk, but soon it will be legislation. This has huge impacts for many businesses. Business planning and investment will sta…
The tariff plan will never pass Congress. It might not even get out of a committee. Except for the most diehard extremists in the Republican party, the tariff plan is an economic non-starter.