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It indeed is hard. I'm happy that we don't have to get it right the first time but that we can iterate. As you've shown with your great work for Jenkins Blue Ocean it is possible to keep improving the simplicity of an interface even for a mature product.
Whats the challenge in doing something that is easy huh? :)
There's an open source clone of Trello that you can self-host: https://wekan.io/
Gitlab also recently made their issues-UI very Trelloish. And Gitlab is opensource too.
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You might want to look at GitLab, which basically has the best of every other world, with sparkles.
https://developer.atlassian.com/blog/2015/01/a-better-pull-r...
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Really? I'm pretty happy with it. Definitely better than Github desktop, and more full featured than the light git extensions you find in most editors. What Git GUI do you prefer?
I'm a big fan of SmartGit http://www.syntevo.com/smartgit/
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Staging, unstaging, and discarding line-by-line has been extremely flaky for me in v1 and v2. Often discarding a deleted line will insert the line in a completely unrelated part of the file, so instead of a deletion, you now have a deletion and an addition. And so on. In combination with GitUp, it's still a great tool, but it could need better QA so that even edge cases are solid.
Are you seeing the lines get inserted into the file itself or that that's just what the diff reflects? I have experienced the diff in Tower being wrong (getting stale), and while a minor nuisance, it's always been fixed by a restart.
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Staging, unstaging, and discarding line-by-line has been extremely flaky for me in v1 and v2. Often discarding a deleted line will insert the line in a completely unrelated part of the file, so instead of a deletion, you now have a deletion and an addition. And so on. In combination with GitUp, it's still a great tool, but it could need better QA so that even edge cases are solid.
I've had similar issues with staging/un-staging causing crashes or just hanging Tower. My biggest gripe is that Tower 1 use to display all your stashes on the side (expanded, not collapsed) by name/date. Tower 2 hides all that information from being easily viewable. I use to use stashes quite a lot, but since switching over I've significantly decreased my usage of it.
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I find it amusing that someone thinks Github moves slow in comparison to Atlassian. I feel like about 30% of all Github features have been released since the last major point release of Jira and Confluence, which themselves were buggy, poorly tested, crud as well. How does Atlassian move "fast"? Has Atlassian done.... anything worth noting in the past 3 years?
Atlassian is a bootstrapped enterprise software company. That alone should earn them a lot of respect. I think that Atlassian's pace matches their customer's wishes. I believe that Bitbucket is more or less on ice, functions as a free GitHub for private repos, and provides an outlet for Atlassian to try to convert people into enterprise clients, and I think this is their intention for Trello too. Enterprise clients d…
Bitbucket has released some pretty major stuff in just the last 6 months or so. Built in Pipelines are an example. We've got some other stuff coming soon and there is always more in the pipeline after that.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11759733
Bitbucket added support for large files and went a step beyond GitHub and Gitlab by adding file chunking to speed things up in a big way. Bitbucket added file previews to help those working with large files like gaming devs. Smart mirroring to helps remote devs work faster. I could go on but I don't want to spam this thread with a feature list.
There's a nice little post here with some things. https://blog.bitbucket.org/page/2/
Do you use Trello instead of JIRA? If so, awesome! It is a great product. We love it so much we spent around a full year of revenue to acquire them so rest assured that big of a bet isn't so we can just convert it into a lead gen tool. We believe Trello can be much bigger that than. (Alas, I can't comment on that right now as it is in deal closure period)
If you don't use JIRA LMK what you use and what you like better. I'm always up for listening to what we are doing well and can do better.
Caveat- if you can't tell I work on BB and JIRA. If you are in SF, I'll buy you a beer & a cookie for the answers, if not I'll just keep following this thread.
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Plus Fog Creek is more on an anti-start-up since it explicitly did not want to grow fast at all costs. That's why Trello was spun off.
Do all start ups have to grow at all costs? I know it's standard for most start-ups to accept as much VC money as possible and find ways to spend it, but there are also young companies that don't need VC money and are successful. Don't know why those shouldn't be start-ups.
"Startup" is a nebulous term with no firm definition, so these kinds of arguments are bound to happen. Some people still say Facebook is a "startup" because it has the fast-paced environment with the normal superficial cultural trappings of a tech startup (food perks, no dress code, casual interpersonal culture, etc. etc.).
Ultimately it's probably just a dumb semantic argument that's best avoided.
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> Seems lots of JIRA-haters in the comments Not just JIRA; I think a lot of people were burnt by Atlassian's management of Hipchat or Bitbucket too. Historically there's something of a track record where Atlassian is the place where interesting, innovative products go to stagnate. Bug fixes happen glacially (a 1 year turnaround seems to be standard), and new feature development doesn't happen at all. Running Hipchat…
Do you think the reverse would be true? If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab? If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? Or perhaps the group behind those products reflected their growth today? Do you think it is because Atlassian's management or because local's management? Say if Atlassian hold to their words: "we leav…
It can't compete now anyway.
> If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack?
Hipchat is not even close to being a serious contender for Slack.
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> Seems lots of JIRA-haters in the comments Not just JIRA; I think a lot of people were burnt by Atlassian's management of Hipchat or Bitbucket too. Historically there's something of a track record where Atlassian is the place where interesting, innovative products go to stagnate. Bug fixes happen glacially (a 1 year turnaround seems to be standard), and new feature development doesn't happen at all. Running Hipchat…
Do you think the reverse would be true? If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab? If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? Or perhaps the group behind those products reflected their growth today? Do you think it is because Atlassian's management or because local's management? Say if Atlassian hold to their words: "we leav…
We can debate counterfactuals all day, but the potential was absolutely there. Consider:
Hipchat was purchased by Atlassian before Slack even launched. (Slack launched August 2013; Hipchat purchased March 2012.) And back in 2012 Hipchat was almost exactly what it is today: A functional chat app with searchable logs, native clients for many platforms, a somewhat clunky UI, and some persistent issues with syncing and reliability. Further, when Slack launched, it wasn't nearly as good as it is now: They've made significant improvements over the years. Back in 2013 the Hipchat/Slack race was still pretty close, and that's after Hipchat had spent the last year doing nothing.
Slack launched into an opening that Hipchat created by stagnating. It's not that Hipchat could have potentially competed with Slack; it's that Hipchat could have easily crushed Slack. Slack exists now because they built the stuff that Hipchat didn't.