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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by rudolf0 »

mitochondrion wrote: post #703
nickbauman wrote: post #539

I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance. Obamacare is a disaster because it enables still more people to suck still more dollars out of the system tha…

>Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you for or against gay marriage?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by lerpa »

mc32 wrote: post #257
mitchpron wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

You know, I used to think the same way --education. But Europe, Germany in particular, stresses education, and that has not saved them from having overqualified people and too few jobs for them. It also minimizes the fact that not all people have the aptitude to learn and obtain higher degrees. It's a race to the top and in that race there will always be people below who feel left out. So education can only offer so…

It's even worse in places where government, either directly or through unions, set the base salaries for people with certain education levels. Then you have higher education, no job, and are unable to be hired doing less education demanding jobs because otherwise they would be forced to pay you an absurd salary for your position.

You're basically fucked. But then government comes to the rescue again giving handouts! Yay... thanks for temporarily solving a problem that you shouldn't have created in the first place.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by sxates »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Maybe we could subsidize decent health insurance? Raise the minimum wage? Build safety nets and expand social services?

Except they just voted against all that.

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Post by ryanx435 »

webkike wrote: post #64
happytrails wrote: post #58

The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. We will keep moving forward. We have systemic issues we need to address in the country and if they don't get addressed in this cycle it'll get worse in the next. We have major income inequality. We have an issue with tax avoidance and we have a problem with US Companies dumping workers for foreign labor. We also have a healthcare issue that needs to be solved. I doub…

The issue I have is that most of our progress will be undone. The Paris Climate Accord rejected. Obamacare dismantled. Dodd Frank repealed. It's easier to destroy the world than it is to save it.

good. except for the climate accord, that should stay. but obamacare is a disaster and dodd frank sucks.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by serge2k »

So I've only been alive long enough to remember 5 presidential elections in detail. 2/5 the electoral college has disagreed with the popular vote. Previously it resulted (after court decision) in the election of Bush, widely seen as one of the worst presidents ever.

Second time is Trump, who is at best unqualified.

Why is this system still in use? What are the benefits of the electoral college? Other than disagreeing with the popular vote at times, doesn't it also discourage voting since a vote in california is worthless next to one from florida?

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Post by TheGirondin »

qntty wrote: post #19
gragas wrote: post #11

I'll say this again: Does this not prove that "diverse" liberalism isn't so diverse after all? Shouldn't a diverse group of people have seen this coming? Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as "racist" and "sexist", when in fact they're just fiscal and social conservatives?

Diversity means including people in out-groups at the risk of alienating people in the in-group

And right now working class, rural, and blue-collar Americans are in the left-wing out-group.

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Post by ryanx435 »

mikeash wrote: post #424
happytrails wrote: post #58

The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. We will keep moving forward. We have systemic issues we need to address in the country and if they don't get addressed in this cycle it'll get worse in the next. We have major income inequality. We have an issue with tax avoidance and we have a problem with US Companies dumping workers for foreign labor. We also have a healthcare issue that needs to be solved. I doub…

Until the sun is obscured by vast clouds of dust as we sink into nuclear winter. That probably won't happen, but it honestly worries me. The guy is far too unstable and vindictive for the kind of responsibility he's being handed. If not that, then after all the talk of not accepting the election results, I'm worried he won't go quietly once his term or terms are over, or that he'll set a precedent for the next guy to…

Its crazy to me how different the information bubbles you and I exist in are: Everything I've seen over the course of this election pointed to Clinton being the one who would likely start WW3 and end the world in armageddon, while it would seem that you believe the exact opposite.

interesting.

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Post by matthewmcg »

mitochondrion wrote: post #703
nickbauman wrote: post #539

I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance. Obamacare is a disaster because it enables still more people to suck still more dollars out of the system tha…

"The people getting more than they put in are parasites; the people getting less than they put in are suckers. When you don't pay for your own healthcare, you don't care how much it costs. Go to any veterinarian's office to see the cost of medicine in a free market."

These are all problems with any system of insurance that involves risk pooling and are not unique to PPACA's reforms.

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Post by ryanx435 »

jernfrost wrote: post #144

Sigh, the only think positive I can imagine coming out of this is that now, I get four years I can make fun of how stupid American's are. As the country descends into chaos and non of Trump's promises comes truth I can sit in my couch and keep repeating: "I told you so!" Good thing Republican's get all the power. Now they fully own all the shit that is to come. They wont be able to blame that on anybody else. I think…

> Sigh, the only think positive I can imagine coming out of this is that now, I get four years I can make fun of how stupid American's are.

it is this sentiment from the left that propelled trump to victory. Your elitism is disgusting.

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Post by nickbauman »

thomyorkie wrote: post #681
nickbauman wrote: post #539

I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

> Terrorism: more toddlers killed Americans than terrorists in 2015. For every terrorist killing someone on US soil, more than 4000 Americans killed each other. Terrorism isn't a fake issue. You're ignoring the potential devastating effects that a successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil could have. Terrorists are always trying to up their game and its because of this that they represent a significant threat. Toddler…

Are you statistics challenged? Even an attack on the level of 9/11 will be significantly lower than the number of Americans that shoot each other to death per year. If you want to read about the likelihood of a nuclear attack by terrorists, read Physics for Future Presidents. It's very, very low.
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