According to the USSC, money in politics is speech. Now, Trump's speech is also Thiel's speech. The only remaining question should be if YC partners are able to keep that position while saying and supporting harmful and often false ideas.
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#752No shame on Marcos, Pao, and anyone else taking a this stupid stance against those who disagree with them. Supporting Trump is perfectly fine, as is supporting Clinton. Calling for the heads of those on opposing sides of the isle is what is truly disgraceful and the whole lot of you acting like petulant children are just pathetic and dangerously misguided.
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#753Earlier quoted context omitted.
You sound just like the republicans in 2008 when a gasp black president was elected. Oh dear, the world is ending, the end times are coming! What's the world coming to! We are doomed. A socialist Kenyan Muslim is in the whitehouse! What actually happened? Nothing. If you looked at the country for the last 8 years you wouldn't be able to tell whether a republican or democratic was in the whitehouse. Same thing will ha…
You really think that opposing Obama because he's black is comparable to opposing Trump because he incites violence and encourages racism and xenophobia and speaks highly of dictators and brags about sexual assault? You want to rethink that?
I do not think you hit on any of the things that make Trump a potential danger to our system of government.
It is his blatant contempt for our Constitution, rule of law, and our political traditions that makes him an existential threat. Support for torture. Jailing political opponents. Wanting to jail journalists saying things he doesn't like. Making religious tests for entering the country. (Many more I'm sure I'm forgetting.)
I think way to little has been made of this as the key reason Trump is not fit to hold the office of President.
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#754Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The way Democrats are running their campaign they are the real threat to democracy. Yes, this exactly. While Trump is out there making lewd, offensive, or ignorant statements, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic party are actually carrying out actions that threaten the integrity of our democratic process. It's sad that all of those things are just from the newest leak. Way too much collusion amongst the party,…
Encouraging your well-armed nutjob supporters to go to the polls and 'monitor' them is kiiiind of on another level. Trump isn't just a moron spouting off nonsense--he's the leader of a large radicalized army, an army which includes large swathes of the police and military. Americans are so complacent and used to stability that they think this is all a crazy TV show that can't affect them personally, but this is a ver…
> he's the leader of a large radicalized army
Wat. He's the nominee for one of the two major political parties in America. Calling his supporters a "large radicalized army" is no better than calling half of them a "basket of deplorables." The entire reason Trump got the nomination is because people like you consistently marginalized the security and economic concerns of a large swath of people rather than bothering to constructively engage. Thinly veiled suggestions that Trump supporters are going to become violent on election day are just as retarded and unhelpful as suggestions that all muslims are secret terrorists.
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Nobody has a problem with whomever Thiel is voting for or wants to restrict his ability to vote in anyway. This isn't issue and you pretending to be merely derails the discussion.
It's like the Russian gay propaganda law: nobody has a problem with you being secretly gay.
Or openly, actually, unless you are into "showing the kids other options" (it's propaganda to minors which is punished (not criminally)) :)
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#756Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a difference between having private non-conforming opinions and openly harassing colleagues. Only the latter is an obvious lack of virtue.
Although to be fair, it's not clearcut. If you quietly say you support someone who is openly harassing colleagues, that is basically harassment by proxy. Being less direct could actually be worse, since it's passive-aggressive. I'm not implying that applies in this case.
I agree, it's not that clearcut and you provided a great counterexample to my argument. My example was intended for mostly disjoint private and professional spheres but I did not specify it.
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> Nobody denies Sam Altman's right to support Peter Thiel Of course; what upsets people (you included, probably?) is the hypocrisy and rationalization. For his friend, Altman is willing to throw all principles and grand declarations about "no asshole policy" through the window. In a way it's charming; in another way, it's hard to fathom. If anyone on HN said 1 thousandth of what Trump says everyday, they would get ba…
According to Sam Altman, if Peter Thiel said some of what Trump said, they'd stop endorsing him. I could not be more baffled by this stance: someone who speaks like Donald Trump is too toxic to affiliate with YC, but someone who diligently works to make Donald Trump President of the United States is not.
Supporting someone as president does not imply holding all the views that that person holds. And associating with someone who holds views you find detestable is not the same thing as associating with someone who supports a political candidate who holds views that you find detestable. I can't see how there is anything baffling about this.
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#758>If Peter said some of the things Trump says himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator.
If it is only reasonable to spouse Thiel's supports Trump is in every particular. Not just the least damaging but also the most. So this not only includes the more palatable anti globalization stance but also race baiting and, hostility towards women as well as a fiercely anti democracy, anti free press platform.
I assume much of that is exactly opposed to ycombinator's higher mission.
Thiel's association with ycombinator is not one of employee to employer, it is voluntary association of colleagues for a common goal, presumably with goals higher than just monetary. Going forward, continuing with Thiel will not only make any claim to those nobler goals _look_ disingenuous they likely will in fact _be_ undermined.
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#759now there is no difference between you and the so called trump supporters. You are asking others to take a stand on behalf of your moral values or bunch who share your values. Come to the developing countries who call themselves democracy and you can see it be absued by their supporters who have the very same notion as you. There is no difference between them(some are uneducated) and you(educated).I hope you are one those guys who can be brainwashed easily or there is no difference between you and those who get brainwashed. Either make your system strong or soon a combination of adam sutler(Vendetta movie) and father's mask(Equlibrium movie) or person with veil will screw everyone using the very same system.
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>I don't know if you followed what happened to the Atheist community in the US, but its downfall was essentially the kind of witch hunt you're trying to incite. Did we have a community? Was there a downfall? I'm an atheist and I know more people that are comfortable being openly atheist in 2016 than at any other time in my life.
I feel like this probably has something to do with Dawkins or Hitchens or something. The history of witch hunts in the USA are reactionary and conservative (Salem, McCarthyism) but for some reason these days the left have been branded as the witch hunters.
Historically, I agree. However, there are witch-hunters to be found at the extremes of both sides.
For example, there's nothing wrong with the concept of social justice, but there are people/groups acting in the name of social justice that spend all day every day trying to find someone's life/career to ruin over the slightest perceived transgression.