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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by fapjacks »

dang wrote: post #733
fapjacks wrote: post #342

I guess I will say the thing that is hard to talk about, but I must: What does Nicole Sanchez know? Everybody knows Hispanics are too lazy to achieve anything great.

> Everybody knows Hispanics are too lazy to achieve anything great. We've banned this account for obvious reasons. There are strong feelings all around, so we try to assume good faith, but no one gets to use HN as a dumping ground for the ugly bits of their id. All: if there are more comments like this and we've missed them, please let us know at hn@ycombinator.com. We can't come close to reading all the comments.

Did you read my own response to this? The feelings should be strong about this! This is exactly what is happening right now inside Github. It is inexcusable.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by Khaine »

wildmusings wrote: post #462
proc0 wrote: post #379

I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

I think we can both acknowledge race, which often goes hand-in-hand with different cultures, and treat people as individual human beings. You can make all sorts of statistical inferences based on race, but they're not really useful when you're dealing with individual people. There's so much individual variation, that a judgment based on race is silly. Let's treat people as individuals, not as faceless members of some…

Finally some common sense.

All people should be treated with respect.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by mistermann »

hox wrote: post #744
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

This is just misguided, plain and simple. I am white, male, heterosexual, and from a middle class family, and I absolutely know that my background gives me privilege. It doesn't matter if I earned it or not; I had and still have an advantage over other classes of people, and that is where the hostility is directed. Instead of taking it personally, use this advantage to eliminate as much privilege as possible. Don't s…

So what would you call this?

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008...

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by novel »

droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

Agreed. I follow this topic for quite some time already, but I cannot understand few fundamental things.

I understand that indeed people could have "issues" because of their gender, race or some other quality. I support they in their effort to make things better.

However, I do not understand this categorization. By categorizing people this way one actually splits a group of people into smaller groups based on given categorization. Those groups have conflicting interests and different level of privileges, and each of the groups tries to change that.

But why, instead of working within this artificial categorized groups, just get away from this categorization completely?

PS It's a sensitive topic and I hope I didn't offend anyone; sorry if I somehow did it, however. PPS I'm wondering what are the job duties of diversity consultants...

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dba7dba »

droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

We laugh at Iran's theocracy. But this militant push for diversity for the sake of diversity does not seem much different to me.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dba7dba »

archagon wrote: post #612
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

Did you not read the article? It says they can't even interview white candidates for jobs.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by oldmantone »

smt88 wrote: post #552
b6 wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not talking or thinking about race ... does absolutely nothing to help. But in the better future world we're trying to create where there is much less discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or sex or other body attributes, isn't that exactly what we'd be doing, not talking or thinking about race because it just isn't important to us? Isn't not talking or thinking about race exactly what we should be doing, as muc…

Everyone is biased[1], even toward groups they themselves belong to. It's impossible not to think about it. Biases are hard-wired into humans. To come anywhere near social equality, you have to recognize your own biases and actively ignore them. 1. http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/201...

This! So much this! Just about any communal animal likes to be around others that look, communicate, and behave like themselves. It's a natural effect that promotes safety and efficiency.

To acknowledge that we have this blind spot and ensure that we shine extra light into it is the only way to mitigate its effect. Cultural, like genetic, diversity is a good thing. We achieve by standing on the shoulders of giants. Giants come in all shapes and colors.

If we continue to surround ourselves with like-minded individuals, we will never learn what we don't know. It is by gradually incorporating foreign ideas and concepts that initially challenge our own that we grow as a society. Two hundred fifty years ago, we thought it was acceptable to own another human. Two thousand five hundred years ago, we thought the earth was flat. Twenty years ago, we thought the Spice Girls were the pinnacle of musical achievement.

It is particularly difficult to accept these new people and ideas because it forces us to reconsider our beliefs and admit we were wrong. But when we know better, we do better. Be self critical and form new opinions when exposed to the new and different.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by bioinformatics »

tdkl wrote: post #520

Just wow. I'm thinking about pulling my personal Jekyll site hosted off GitHub pages and host somewhere else. Not sure about the alternatives though, with custom domain support. Ah well, a nice weekend task.

I have an Octopuses on Heroku, it seems a good solution for a static site.

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Post by forgettableuser »

cgriswald wrote: post #696
archagon wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

Your Berkeley friends may simply be more educated. In any case, before you pass judgment, try expressing a differing opinion. Most of the feminists that are my friends aren't 'militant'. I can disagree with them and point out where their little bits of dogma differ with reality. We can usually have a discussion and learn from each other. But trying to do that with any self-proclaimed feminist who doesn't already know…

> *Did you know murder by males is the number one cause of death among females?

I've been hearing that myth a lot recently too. I checked the CDC to see the real numbers. Cancer (disturbingly all ages groups), and (traffic) accidents, and heart disease make up the lion's share. Even suicide is larger than murders.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by atdt »

madebysquares wrote: post #530

Diversity is a touchy subject. As a black engineer myself I've worked at three companies where I've been the only black technical worker and it's hard some times. I've gone to conferences where I've been maybe 1 of 5 or 6 engineers out of hundreds. i don't do any hiring but I often wonder if there is a lack of qualified black male or female engineers or what but sometimes I do feel isolated.

You may like "The darker side of tech", a talk Bryan Liles gave at Velocity 2015 in New York: " rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ5wYZqHQGo>.
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