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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

Steuard wrote: post #358
overgard wrote: post #319

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My argument is that women have a sense of humor and we don't have to infantilize them by acting like they can't take a joke. Clearly I'm a patriarchal monster. Thank god we have all these social justice warriors to protect women from the word bro.

Yes, women have a sense of humor, and in general they're really good at taking a joke from time to time. But if you keep your eyes open, you'll eventually notice that women (especially in tech) wind up having to "take a joke" all the friggin' time. And that gets really old. I mean, seriously, look at this very example. Imagine that the "bro" command became a standard tool. Now picture a woman being stuck typing "bro"…

"But she still has to type it again, over and over, taking a tiny but not quite negligible emotional hit of feeling excluded every single time."

The idea that a woman would literally be repeatedly emotionally traumatized by typing a three letter combination would be hilarious if it weren't so blatantly misogynistic.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #172
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #124

Clearly this is very offensive, exclusionary and misogynistic. I mean, it's not like software has ever been named based on word play-oh, wait... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_%28Scheme_implementatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Orifice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagios https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAME https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_%28protocol%29 Then it's very common for forks of other sof…

Or, GIMP?

Ableist!!

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

ComSubVie wrote: post #260

A very nice idea and I hope it will gain a lot more examples (at least I will try to add further examples)! And I love the name and it's play on the manpages. But a lot here seems to recommend changing it - can anybody explain to a non-native-speaker what the problem is with the current name?

There isn't one. There's a problem with the people who have a problem with it.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

adrienne wrote: post #697
Myrmornis wrote: post #653

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Woman are not in tech because we fail at the high school education phase: we need to do better at encouraging women to study STEM subjects at university. I don't believe the current environment at tech companies is the problem. If it is a rather male dominated culture that is the effect, not the cause.

Wrong. Yes, there is a pipeline problem; however, women also leave STEM fields at more than twice the rate men do.[0] And when we do, the reasons we cite include the fact that it's a boys' club, as well as outright harassment. [0]: (This is an overview, but also cites some actual peer-reviewed studies) http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/08/science-engineering-gender-...

People come up with all sorts of excuses when they fail, usually ones that place the blame on an external factor rather than internal (lack of work ethic, unsuitability for a role, etc).

This is hardly new, or confined to a single gender. It's like when they study obesity and find that people who "can't" lose weight massively under report their calories.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

dictum wrote: post #30
cbhl wrote: post #14

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I suspect it's supposed to be a pun on "man". The only other tool in this space that comes to mind is GNU's "info"... What name would you have given the tool?

"boy" is an alternative, though I'm sure it would do very little to placate the misogyny complaints.

Nothing will placate the misogyny complaints, which is why they are best ignored.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

presorted wrote: post #300
[deleted] wrote: post #118

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I don't have an objection. I'm not judgemental. I think that paper is very inspirational to think outside one's cultural conditioning.

I think that paper is very inspirational to people who love to stereotype others based on race, especially in a judgmental manner.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #620
koala_advert wrote: post #119

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Do you also get mad when people use the word "guys" to refer to more than one person of either sex?

"Guys" to include a mixed audience is how we get shit like "he" as default pronoun.

Oh no!!! That's literally rape, omg.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

belluchan wrote: post #32
lhnz wrote: post #19

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Brogrammer is just a stereotype, brah. Not everybody that wears shades, doesn't take life seriously and speaks with an accent is misogynistic, crass, less mature than you and difficult to depend on. That's not really fair. To a bro the word just means 'friend' - somebody that's dependable, fun to hang out with and that won't over complicate things. Those descriptions seem more in line with the tool.

I have found out in life that women can also be dependable, fun to hang out with, and not "complicate things." Using "bro" is offensive because it excludes others by their gender. It's an awful exclusionary term and you shouldn't think it funny or ironic. You're not taking this serious. I'm guessing because you haven't any idea of how soul crushing it can be to see this kind of behavior in the workplace when you're a…

>"bro" is offensive because it excludes others by their gender. It's an awful exclusionary term and you shouldn't think it funny or ironic. >You're not taking this serious.

Well gee, I wonder why.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

sethammons wrote: post #616
yeukhon wrote: post #531

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No. I said it is ridiculous to turn everything into a sexism discussion. Look, I said if people are making fun of female, like "sudo make me sandwich" that's sexist and we better make sure we correct that idea. It might be okay with a close friend but a public statement like that is obviously not acceptable. bro-page is not in the same category as "sudo make me sandwich". There is no sexism in that name. Just because…

I never noticed that "sudo make me a sandwich" is sexist. Maybe I missed the memo. It always conjures, for me, the idea that the computer will make me a sandwich. And if I were to go with the XKCD where most of us heard of it the first time, the image is without gender. It never occurred to me that only a woman would make a sandwich for someone. I guess that messes up when my dad would make me a sandwich. Or when I m…

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/make-me-a-sandwich

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Crake »

Domenic_S wrote: post #733
Crake wrote: post #703

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>Because, hate to break it to you, but you were born a feminist. Everyone is. >You are born a feminist; if you don't die a feminist, you lost a bit of your humanity during your life. If everyone is born feminist, where did this allegedly sexist society come from in the first place? You are neglecting to account for the entire field of biology and genetics, as well as making feminism sound like some sort of creepy rel…

> (although it's certainly starting to resemble that, recently) Recently? :) Find some articles and pictures from the '70s.

That's before my time! Haha. I know it's always been there, but it's gotten so much worse lately, or so it seems to me.
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