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Post by harimau777 »

drak0n1c wrote: post #308
henearkr wrote: post #305

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Exactly. Antifa is short for "opposed to fascism". Which, you know, is the bad thing where you hurt a lot of people just because they are different from the "group" you defined, with the aim of spoliating the outsiders to enrich the members, or make them an inferior cast, etc... Having to explain why fascism is to be fought against... Ugh, what a world. Not even science-fiction writers dared to write such a nonsensic…

Nomenclature alone is meaningless. Is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea which professes anti-fascist messaging and motives both democratic and anti-fascist? I wouldn't assume every "antifa" group is principled and accurate in its diagnosis of what fascism is and who are acceptable targets for their outgroup directed aggression.

The fact that nomenclature can be applied arbitrarily doesn't mean it is in this case. In this case, antifa groups do in fact generally oppose facism.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by jasonvorhe »

K0balt wrote: post #705
DaSHacka wrote: post #700

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But /new/ was from before then and was essentially the precursor to /pol/ anyway

Sure. Epstein/Mossad/CIA was not likely involved in the creation of the Chan. But the creation of /pol apparently in response to moot meeting Epstein (and follow-up meetings) as well as Maxwell’s alleged “janitor” status on the board are both deeply suspicious at least. BTW someone should probably check in on moot once in a while to see if he’s ok lol. Strange bedfellows and all that.

Wasn't Maxwell also one of the most active Reddit moderators?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by OKRainbowKid »

woodpanel wrote: post #672
throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #618

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Meanwhile, you find weapon stashes and insurgency plans on what political side?

This is literally the thing you will find when busting groups that have been performing multiple attacks on German electricity and rail infrastructure in the last years. Attacks that results in dead people and are ok with many more dead

You mean the ones that haven't actually been busted, their true motivation and political conviction unknown, with the only thing pointing towards left-wing extremism being "Bekennerschreiben" that have linguistic traits of being authored by native Russian speakers?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by inigyou »

breppp wrote: post #673
inigyou wrote: post #634

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Opposing someone who happens to be anti-fascist doesn't make you anti-anti-fascist or fascist any more than opposing someone who is blue makes you anti-blue or yellow. However if I say all blue are terrorists and it's legal to shoot blue on sight. Then I'm anti-blue. If I say all anti-blue are terrorists and it's legal to shoot anti-blue on sight, then I'm very pro-blue. It doesn't matter if there's a bunch of green…

yes, that's exactly my point

Trump's doing the latter thing. He's said all anti-blue are terrorists. He's not opposing specific anti-blue people except when an example is needed. That makes him pro-blue.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by inigyou »

dismalaf wrote: post #677
inigyou wrote: post #613

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A tactic of certain fascist groups is to simply claim their opponents simply call anyone they don't like fascist and attack them. How can we objectively decide who's right?

Have objective laws and prosecute people who break them.

How will that tell us who the fascists are?

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Post by inigyou »

impossiblefork wrote: post #694
inigyou wrote: post #606

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They don't have to do that because accounts are associated one-to-one with phone numbers.

I don't understand your comment.

Signal doesn't need traffic analysis because it knows the phone numbers of who is communicating.

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Post by thereforegrin »

GolfPopper wrote: post #467
antonvs wrote: post #254

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My conspiracy theory is that "24" was funded by the CIA (etc.) to build public support for measures like the Patriot Act. "24" debuted 11 days after the Patriot Act became law, so they were being worked on at the same time.

Don't forget the X-Files spinoff The Lone Gunmen . During its pilot episode, first airing March 4th, 2001, members of the U.S. government remotely hijack an airliner and try to crash it into the World Trade Center, blaming anti-American terrorist groups in order to start a new global war on terrorism for the profit of defense industry contractors.

yes, there are no coincidences, only signs.

There was also an art exhibition called 'The B-thing', before the attack: https://publicdelivery.org/gelitin-b-thing/

Then there are reports of FBI expelling from the USA some 100+ foreign art students after the attack.

There are a lot more dots to connect in this case, so it gets even easier but if people expect to be told the truth by a news anchor it can take 75+ years - that is the word we live in.

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Post by giov4 »

elmer2 wrote: post #738

noblogs encourages and hosts violence and other terrorist activities. They doxx people they don't like and pass around kids schools/addressess/home addresses/names of spouses, for the sole purpose of violence. They had a flier for 'laser tag' hosted there, which was a group meet to flash laser pointers in the faces of ICE agents. I've been following this 'collective' since 2016. It's about time the US did something a…

>noblogs encourages and hosts violence and other terrorist activities.

how does it encourage it? can you show an example?

>They had a flier for 'laser tag' hosted there

what does this mean?

>which was a group meet to flash laser pointers in the faces of ICE agents.

Which group? reference? link? examples?

>I've been following this 'collective' since 2016. It's about time the US did something about it.

well this explains a lot about your point of view, but can you expand or prove your above statements?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by inigyou »

tptacek wrote: post #470
inigyou wrote: post #460

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Signal and WhatsApp are already required to give your communications to the government.

Signal and WhatsApp don't have the plaintext of your communications to begin with.

Then they're breaking the law

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Post by xboxnolifes »

culi wrote: post #447
xboxnolifes wrote: post #440

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> (If you're opposed to antifascists what does that make you? You cant judge a group by its name. Otherwise, Make America Great Again is great, the National Socialist German Workers' party seems fine, etc.

It's not a group. There are several smaller orgs that call themselves antifascist but there's no such centralized group or political structure. It's not even a specific ideology. It's just oppositional to fascism

So, its not a group, its just multiple groups with the same label. My point stands. You cant just believe what someone labels themselves as, nor what others label them as. I never called them a centralized group.
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