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Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by mrguyorama »

kraken_cult wrote: post #197
mmooss wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> massive population of antisocial people 'Social' isn't 'nobody annoys me '; it's empathy for, caring about, and helping others, especially those you don't like - otherwise it means nothing. I'm in the West, and I support liberty - the defining feature of the West - uber alles; it's their right. I'm not threatening others' freedom so you can feel more at ease. (You are more of a problem for them - they can't have yo…

There has to be a line draw somewhere. Generally people who say this don't actually have regular interactions with aggressive, hostile, homeless. Or are you just really cool with going to a coffee shop and have someone screaming in a pile of their own feces 20 or so feet away?

The primary shelter for my city is across the road from me. All the strung out, chronic homeless people hang out next door at the post office, because it's public property. They also hang out around my building, on the two streets around it.

There is never shit. There are no needles. These people leave you alone. They are literally insane and on absurd drugs, but they leave you alone.

Why is this true in Portland Maine, but not Portland Oregon?

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by Natfan »

ipaddr wrote: post #458
Gud wrote: post #385

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Where I’m from, Sweden, typically it is the second and third generation immigrants who exhibit antisocial behaviour.

Its true im many places. First generation hard working. Second generation lives in the inprint of the first generation. Third generation has no connection to the original homeland and tries to find connection or it turns to antisocial behaviour.

or the third generation are just natives at that point, and will commit crimes at a similar rate to the native populace?

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by cptskippy »

ssl-3 wrote: post #103
xyzelement wrote: post #85

Lack of bathrooms has been called tragedy of the commons in this thread, but it's not the "commons" that are the problem. The worst 10% of society determine what we can and can't have. The "commons" aren't having public sex, shooting up drugs, or destroying the bathrooms with lack of... etiquette. The commons are victimized when these things happen and then there's eventually no choice but to shut them down unless th…

A reduction of public restrooms didn't stop the worst 10% of society from having public sex, shooting up drugs, or destroying an area with their lack of defacatory etiquette -- did it? In places where these things were problems with public restrooms, they remain problems without public restrooms. The 10%'ers are still doing their dastardly things. The remaining 90% of society still has the same messes to clean up (or…

> Nothing has been improved in this process.

It isn't about improving things or fixing the problem, it is about mitigating cost.

Public sex, shooting up drugs, and vandalism still occur; but the owner/operator of the bathroom no longer has to maintain the bathroom or deal with individuals complaining about the poor state of the bathroom as a result of the behavior.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by alistairSH »

MisterTea wrote: post #675
NalNezumi wrote: post #617

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EU(or US) can't have public toilets because it's gonna get vandalized. For fun. One thing that perplexed me endlessly during my youth living in Sweden was seeing drunk teenagers go around vandalize things for... Fun. Breaking the glass at the buss station (designed to shatter in to million pieces so you don't hurt yourself), friends enjoying graffiti, littering, throwing beer bottles on the street for fun.... During…

Bathrooms aren't always closed because of vandalizing. NYC public schools lacked bathrooms and stall doors -- the various heroin epidemics saw to that. Schools closed boys bathrooms and removed stall doors to discourage drug use. In 1994 my public HS had ONE boys bathroom with no stall doors across from the lunchroom where a public school guard sat and watched. The girls had one on every floor. Had to take a dump? pr…

That's not the norm across the US (thought it might have been for urban areas).

I went to public high school in the same era in the northern VA suburbs and we had bathrooms available. With doors even. In our 3-building campus, there were at least 6 full sets of bathrooms that I remember (so there were probably more), plus two sets of locker rooms which had toilets.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by everdrive »

MisterTea wrote: post #675
NalNezumi wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU(or US) can't have public toilets because it's gonna get vandalized. For fun. One thing that perplexed me endlessly during my youth living in Sweden was seeing drunk teenagers go around vandalize things for... Fun. Breaking the glass at the buss station (designed to shatter in to million pieces so you don't hurt yourself), friends enjoying graffiti, littering, throwing beer bottles on the street for fun.... During…

Bathrooms aren't always closed because of vandalizing. NYC public schools lacked bathrooms and stall doors -- the various heroin epidemics saw to that. Schools closed boys bathrooms and removed stall doors to discourage drug use. In 1994 my public HS had ONE boys bathroom with no stall doors across from the lunchroom where a public school guard sat and watched. The girls had one on every floor. Had to take a dump? pr…

>-- the various heroin epidemics saw to that.

But hey, it's walkable!

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by swat535 »

baud147258 wrote: post #218
psadauskas wrote: post #157

We'll spend a trillion dollars bombing people halfway around the world that never meant us any harm, but paying a custodian to clean a public toilet (and providing help for those that might misuse it) is a bridge too far.

> We'll spend a trillion dollars bombing people halfway around the world that never meant us any harm While I'm sure the US has bombed a significant number of such people, I wouldn't call Iran as 'never meant us any harm' (though I'll still say the current war is a stupid mistake).

I don't know..

I tend to think that killing democratically elected leader of a country because they wanted to nationalize their oil, installing a dictator, then spending years trying to destroy the country could possibly upset people.

You clearly don't know much about Iran or Iranians if you think they are all raving lunatics bent on destroying the world for fun.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by mrguyorama »

qwerpy wrote: post #274
csullivannet wrote: post #260

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Oh, so forced labour then?

If someone’s forcing society to pay for their living expenses, it only seems fair for society to force them to labor to cover the expenses. I’m sure the next objection will be “what, so you’re going to concentrate them in some kind of camp?” Yes because that’s the smart thing to do with a large scale problem. Use scalable solutions.

>If someone’s forcing society to pay for their living expenses,

But the mentally unwell person didn't force society to pay for their living expenses. Society decided it couldn't stand them living their life the way they were and locked them up.

Society pays for locking people up because it is done for the benefit of society. The point is that a functioning society is more productive than an unorganized one, and so can afford to do that kind of thing.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by peterfirefly »

varispeed wrote: post #625
xyzelement wrote: post #85

Lack of bathrooms has been called tragedy of the commons in this thread, but it's not the "commons" that are the problem. The worst 10% of society determine what we can and can't have. The "commons" aren't having public sex, shooting up drugs, or destroying the bathrooms with lack of... etiquette. The commons are victimized when these things happen and then there's eventually no choice but to shut them down unless th…

The problem is lack of enforcement and the fact that politicians are disconnected from working class and most simply hate them and don't care. Let the pleb piss in the hedges like animals they are, meanwhile spaff the taxes on some vanity projects so the mates can buy new yachts. I wish we had capital punishment for corruption like in China.

> I wish we had capital punishment for corruption like in China.

The selective enforcement is insane. If it really applied to everybody then China would be a free country because the entire CCP would have been executed.

In practice, it's only for enemies of the powerful (which is mostly the coalition around Xi). Even then, most CCP members who are convicted get a much milder punishment

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by fwip »

9x39 wrote: post #342
fwip wrote: post #83

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Surely bathrooms are something we can produce faster than the rate at which population increases.

people can destroy things faster than you can build or even maintain them is the problem. it's mean to identify the certain people or hold them accountable, though, so we don't.

Your argument is unrelated to the global population.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by CWuestefeld »

mrngld wrote: post #606
mym1990 wrote: post #178

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Yeah, I did this at 16 at a gas station and got paid 8.75 an hour, there are lots of people out there doing this type of work in the private sector. Its not glamorous thats for sure but supply/demand will dictate the labor market. The government doesn't deem it infeasible because hiring is difficult, its because they aren't willing to pay a reasonable wage for the work.

I won't do your homework for you but there's people that have done the work of reporting out the numbers it takes to operate a clean government bathroom. It's not just "reasonable wage" territory. It's "civilization can't afford this" level expensive, the type of problem you can't throw money at because it's so bad it's obvious that the real problem and solution exists elsewhere. And it's only in the West that public…

Why is it so infeasible for government to keep their facilities clean, while Buc-ee's can have sparkling clean facilities and still turn a profit?
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