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Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by peteforde »

SepiaSapient wrote: post #724
peteforde wrote: post #711

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That is not a coherent reply to my point, which is that you guys are like school yard bullies to people naive enough to throw chum into the water. We've seen this play out so many times. Nobody working on anything serious is going to volunteer to be a target for your BS. I sincerely wish that people would stop falling for the "prove you're not hallucinating" trap. If winning was possible - and it's not - there would…

I didn't say Mr. Johnny was hallucinating, or that he's lying. Was finding the "Written by humans" humorous the most polite comment ever? No, but it is absurd to call it harassment. Specially considering it matched his energy. His website is cool, and from what I could skim from the content I'm sure his clients are happy and find it worthwhile. I'm not being facetious. He said Claude saved him time, which is true. Re…

To be clear, you took something that I said generally - and is not just easily defended but obvious - and made it all about you and your comment.

The pattern I'm talking about is easily repeatable. Someone says that they used LLMs to do something, people demand to see proof, and no matter what it is a sockpuppet army arrives on cue to insult and snipe. It doesn't matter if it's total shit or really impressive, it's the kneejerk aspect that makes it unsane to actually take the bait.

Meanwhile, everyone in this thread seems to assume that the website Mr. Johnny was talking about having used LLMs to build quickly was the one linked in his profile. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the river of snark was flowing before anyone had any confirmation of what they were actually supposed to be shitty about.

That's the tip off that you are a member of a pack of bullies, whether you're consciously aware of it or not. If you were actually offering opinions in good faith, you'd clarify the subject before jumping to snark.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by _heimdall »

oulipo2 wrote: post #740
_heimdall wrote: post #729

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By related to I assume you mean correlates with though. To be fair, we can't say there is a causal link (even if it does seem very likely).

We can TOTALLY say that there's a causal link, it's been proven by scientific stories

If you have any links I'd be very interested to see them. Happy to be proven wrong here, but when most (all?) of the research is based in modelling I don't see how you'd prove causation, especially in such a large system that you can't test with and without the intervention in question.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by Aachen »

elicash wrote: post #686
Aachen wrote: post #531

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'only'? A web developer did not cost 12*30=360$ an hour in 2015, and that's assuming that going "ugh, whatever. I'll just hide the problem with overflow:hidden instead of finding the underlying cause" takes him or her 2 minutes and isn't already the dev's initial reaction Another way of looking at it is using as much electricity as a normal person in a high-income country uses across ~3 days to add overflow:hidden in…

It'd be $8.52 in 2015 dollars, but certainly they are the ones who mentioned the $12 amount not you, so I'll put that aside. Far more importantly, you would not get billed for 2 minutes of work for this if you paid a developer to fix it. At best, half hour increments for the fix. But more likely, for the full hour. Also, in this comparison, the consultant is on call every day, morning, afternoon, evening, for whateve…

Did OP get called to fix this bug and bill in half-hour increments for it? I was assuming the scenario where it's a hired developer doing their thing as part of their regular workday (they write "I noticed a glitch"), writing a new feature and noticing the problem as they look at what they made

In an expensive consultant scenario where this is the only thing they need to do that day for this customer, yeah sure if you can ask a computer to replace a whole billing cycle then that is cheaper, at least when ignoring the climate externalities that come due later (idk how to price that in)

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

#744

Post by etdznots »

peteforde wrote: post #741
SepiaSapient wrote: post #724

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say Mr. Johnny was hallucinating, or that he's lying. Was finding the "Written by humans" humorous the most polite comment ever? No, but it is absurd to call it harassment. Specially considering it matched his energy. His website is cool, and from what I could skim from the content I'm sure his clients are happy and find it worthwhile. I'm not being facetious. He said Claude saved him time, which is true. Re…

To be clear, you took something that I said generally - and is not just easily defended but obvious - and made it all about you and your comment. The pattern I'm talking about is easily repeatable. Someone says that they used LLMs to do something, people demand to see proof, and no matter what it is a sockpuppet army arrives on cue to insult and snipe. It doesn't matter if it's total shit or really impressive, it's t…

> We have found the god machine. It makes all human beings that don’t embrace it irrelevant, if you resist you will be swallowed by the void.

Really? Can you show me something you’ve used it for?

> You are nothing but a bully and an arse good day to you!

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by willlma »

kakacik wrote: post #476
CalRobert wrote: post #369

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Switzerland does have roads choked full of cars. It also has pretty mediocre bike infrastructure. But this is kind of besides the point - even in the Netherlands I also would use a car if I were taking camping and skiing gear with the kids, and that's fine. But I can also take them in the bakfiets to the grocery store when I want, and that's also fine. Cars have their purpose, but you shouldn't _have_ to use one for…

Well, here is where we differ - what is basic trip for you may not be basic trip for me or next Joe. Maybe they don't even have walking path to their house. Maybe closest grocery store is 5km away on roads which are incompatible with safe cycling (many parents don't give a fck and just ride, throwing a tiny little dice with every truck passing centimeters from them and their young kids at high speed). Maybe XYZ. Don'…

Yes, people who live in the countryside need cars. But just because that's the case doesn't mean that the auto industry has nothing to do with the development of transit and cycling infrastructure in cities. I too am from Switzerland, but I lived near a train station (I now live in the US). When I'm there, I would much rather take the train than the car for most trips. It was an eight-minute walk to the station and the train is usually faster or the same duration as driving and I don't need to drive (which sucks; I'd rather read a book or look out the window than stare at the car in front of me). In the past, I owned an Urban arrow bakfiets which would fit my child and wife and me all at the same time with our groceries.

So yeah, you live in the countryside; you're in the minority, but you're trying to make global claims about the car industry based on your experience. For most humans, getting in the car involves bumper to bumper traffic to get somewhere, then 10-30 minutes of searching for a parking spot, and not having the infrastructure to make that a choice rather than a requirement in densely populated places is unacceptable.

And it's well documented in the US that the oil industry knee-capped public transit and train systems.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by reverius42 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #416
reverius42 wrote: post #303

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Imagine telling someone in 2015 that you can just tell your computer to fix a 2-line CSS bug and it only costs $12

Or even in 2026. You absoutely will pay a human that for that work.

I bet the human costs more than $12.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by arunkc »

ubercore wrote: post #358

I had a similar experience, I was working on a jupyter notebook, and Claude knew that it could write code that would use a DSN with read-only database access so I could run it. Opus just plugged along. First Fable session with it, it tried to go looking for that DSN so it could get the connection string and run a query itself. Luckily the auto classifier caught and stopped it.

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