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Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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i argue that most ideas aren't necessary novel, so stealing idea isn't necessary bad.... e.g. i don't think google search was entirely novel, but was well executed. honestly - meta has built quite a lot of cool things, but c-suite is probably to be blamed for what's going on today.

Search was not novel, but PageRank was novel.

Correct

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Pretty sure they bought Insta and Whatsapp. I mean, that's not nothing, buying a successful business and keeping it successful for over a decade. But neither Zuck nor Meta made those platforms; they were both established successes in their own right before acquisition.

> keeping it successful I’m no Zuck fan, but he’s done much more than keep them successful, they have grown a lot. I remember everyone making fun of him for overpaying for IG and WA. Now both in hindsight look like amazing acquisitions.

The "amazing acquisitions" should be antitrust. Whatsapp is a non starter given what Brian Acton reported. I'll never use it. People widely report they ruined Instagram and Zuck came back furiously explaining in an email chain later "oh sorry I didn't mean to say we're killing the competition" probably after a lawyer scolded him

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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> here are 2 main drivers of these layoffs: > 1. Correcting pandemic overhiring > 2. In the ~2010-2022 timeframe, tech companies poured all this money into speculative bets Any data/sources on which this might be based? The pandemic was 6 years ago; do these "Agile" (the tech term) companies really carry many unproductive lines-of-business for so long? > speculative bets that never went anywhere ... think Amazon's Al…

How many hall passes do CEOs get for pandemic over hiring? Its been four years, and four years of layoffs and hiring to go back to layoffs. Pandemic over hiring might explain the first layoff or two a year or so later, but not the tenth or so layoff nearly half a decade later.

Seems more and more like CEOs and MBAs as a whole are letting AI make all their decisions

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Let’s go another step further! The continual success of fb and instagram has not come from zuck but through glorified A/B testing on steroids whilst lighting employee’s asses on fire each quarter to move the metrics. Visionary genius? My ass. Only Steve Jobs proved he is worthy of that title. Bro is a fraud. He always was - remember he stole the idea for fb. Thankfully he’s getting found out.

i argue that most ideas aren't necessary novel, so stealing idea isn't necessary bad.... e.g. i don't think google search was entirely novel, but was well executed. honestly - meta has built quite a lot of cool things, but c-suite is probably to be blamed for what's going on today.

No the strategy of having a professional looking social space in the web, specifically focused on college folks solely was novel - this is what he stole and without this it wouldn’t have gotten to the place of success it is today. Knowing about the technology is no good without a solid strategy - with a solid strategy anyone can raise the funding to go build it. It’s easy to know what to build when you have a vision specifically of what you’re building into.

Nobody else has this targeted focus.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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I find the scale of some companies hard to understand, they're laying off multiples of the total number of employees of the largest company I've worked at.

I worked at S&P Global for 2 years via an acquisition. The scale is insane. It is completely unmanageable. It's impossible to get anything done. Yet, it shits money. It was a miserable place to work.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Where did all the extra employees come from? Did this result in shortages in other industries that the employees supposedly transitioned from?

IIRC, CS majors in universities grew a lot over the past 2 decades in particularly past couple years. It can be argued that the demand for graduates in other industries might have stagnated or even dropped, and it's "spread over" many different industries, so it's not really that seriously felt. But if you were hiring in the software industry during the covid peak years, you would seriously feel the shortage. I used…

You guys weren't very good, then.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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It's the principal/agent problem: The overhiring is incredibly difficult to unwind because it led to the creation of empires. Everyone who is not a founder has more incentive to keep the empire because it props up their comp.

How? In 2022, Meta laid off 11,000 (13%) In 2023, Meta did two layoffs, one of 10,000 (another 13.6%), one of 600 In 2024, Meta did a layoff (layoffs.fyi doesn't list the number) In 2025, Meta did three layoffs, one of 3,600 (5%), 100 and 600 people In 2026, Meta has done two layoffs, one of 200, and one of 8,000 (10%). If you can't correct overhiring in 4 years as a CEO, you've failed. If you repeatedly have to do >…

Just to play devils advocate here - but from 2022-2026 did they ever have any large hiring cycles that would replace some or most of these layoffs? Or should I believe none of the layoffs in the last four years have been replaced at all?

I do agree with your point about overhiring, its been way to long and this continues to be an excuse without any real evidence to back it up.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Pretty easy. Get them to talk about a project they've managed and start poking holes. Who was on the team? How did they organize meetings? What were the bottlenecks? How well did everyone get along? What did they do to help grease the gears? Did they have to change the process? How did they like the software? Which software did they use? Did they have to administer it themselves? How did they deal with management cha…

From witching other managers, and via LLMs, you can literally learn and interview prep for all those questions on and lie. It's not difficult.

Well if they’ve learned that much it’s a good thing.

The remaining piece is to speak with some personal references to verify they did some real work.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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I think in several ways the promises of AI to leadership is taking jobs not what AI is actually doing.

Absolutely. Promises/hopes of what AI can do, and also execs being misinformed about what their own companies are doing/achieving with AI. I know of one very well known large company where the CEO is in the press preaching about the need to restructure/layoff because of AI, yet in the trenches there is close to zero AI adoption - only contractors claiming on their JIRA close-outs to be using GIT copilot because they…

> execs being misinformed about what their own companies are doing/achieving with AI

And a bunch of yes-men down the lower layers of management funneling these ideas.

In a meeting at my last job, one of the execs was bragging about how a chatbot was reading Jira customer service tickets and calling tools/APIs to solve those tickets, and it "only costs 1.5USD per ticket. How much would a human cost, huh?"

Little did the exec know, but my team was already using a ~600 lines python script to solve the problem with a higher rate of precision. The chatbot-automation thing was largely pushed by my manager when I was out on vacation, just so he could earn his good-boy points with higher ups. Worst manager I've had in my 14 years of career btw.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Meta is fundamentally a media company and they're using AI towards that end. They don't seem to be productizing their tech beyond that in the medium term.

>Meta is fundamentally a media company You were soooooo close. Meta is fundamentally a targeted advertising company, not a media company.

What is a modern media company if not a targeted advertising company?

The amount of subscription driven media today is relatively a very small part of the industry.

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