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Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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What prevents these no tech tractors to be electric?

Almost certainly it's energy density for long running, high load usage. If a family car energy usage is 1x, then a light duty truck is about 1.5x, and a heavy duty truck doing hauling or towing is about 4x. A medium sized farm tractor would probably be 20x or more. In that light, it's not hard to see how cars and light trucks could fare well with today's battery energy density, while heavy duty trucks are at the limi…

Heavy duty trucks run well on electric in the EU at least, as the work time regulation make for regular charging and lower speed limits for trucks makes the consumption manageable.

Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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Does this project go anywhere? Looks like it's at the same stage it was 10 years ago.

They're not very online but they are still doing workshops and stuff in person. Their home page shows some events in 2025 but if you really wanna get involved you would probably need to connect offline. I have a friend of a friend who's involved and they seem pretty dedicated

So what's their status now? Do they have plans/BOM's for, say, the tractor?

Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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No, sadly not. John Deere is very anti right to repair, and they will do anything to make you call up an authorized tech. There are authorized dealers who are not John Deere directly, but they are completely subservient to John Deere (they have to be otherwise they will not get access to the software tooling required to fix equipment), the semantic difference to a farmer is inconsequential, you will be overcharged[1]…

> John Deere is very anti right to repair John Deere's whole business model has been built around being the most repairable — ensuring that you can get the parts when you need them, not days or weeks later. I own farm equipment from all the major brands and I've been burned by that before. Deere is undeniably the winner in repairability. They are quite protective of their intellectual property, that is true. Although…

"I remember the time I wanted to see the service manual, and it took a wink and a nod to get the service tech to decrypt it for me."

Boeing and Airbus are incredibly protective of intellectual property for both safety reasons and protecting the process. They still provide repair manuals.

There are hundreds of sensors on modern John Deere tractors they REQUIRE the entire firmware to its respective module because they are locked to your serial number, that means you could buy two identical tractors and swap a part between them and both tractors would cease to operate correctly because the module rejects the non-programmed sensor, this is unacceptable.

Now you might say well John Deere has rights to protect its own IP to which I absolutely agree, and I also agree they have the right to protect themselves from liability arisen from say someone installing an aftermarket sensor. Why not make a disclaimer appear saying "This equipment is fitted with a non-certified aftermarket part) rather than making it completely useless "contact dealer" is not a valid diagnostic message.

Let's say you wanted to hack your tractor to install an aftermarket sensor, well now you have to break the digital lock (encrypted payload files) that is installed by John Deere congratulations that's actually against the law even if you own the equipment.

This isn't about emissions or safety or anything else it's about shitty rent-seeking behavior that directly disenfranchises everyone.

When you purchase something, you should be able to own it.

Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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And how many acres are you farming on it? Today's world of agriculture is much higher tech-based (for many good reasons, primarily yield) than back in the horse and buggy days of farming.

I know of a forklift that's pushing 80 and still used in a lumber yard (i.e. a material handling centric workplace) Other than ~30min it takes to teach an employee to drive manual it doesn't do anything worse than the modern ones it works alongside and it does a handful of minor things much better by virtue of predating OSHA.

What does it do better by predating OSHA? Are there liability concerns or does it have just enough safety to be insured economically?

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The economics of farming (at least in the US) are brutal. Scaling up is really the only way to make a living long term. Some of this is due to equipment cost (look up how much a combine costs), and some is due to competition. It's not unusual for a farmer to be land rich and cash poor. If you want to see a couple of guys learning how to farm from scratch, visit https://www.youtube.com/@spencerhilbert . Spencer and hi…

Very offtopic, but: > raising beef Is that cows? English isn't my first language, so I thought beef was the word just for the meat, with all Normans eating while Saxons raising thing.

That would be a correct interpretation. Depending on how "cowboy" you want to go, there's plenty of slang. Raising hamburgers and steaks. Bacon seeds. Lamb chops. Just idiomatic sayings referring to the ultimate end products. I've heard all sorts of things to be cute.

Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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I think it may have been here, where there was a story about a Toyota factory that only makes one car: a barebones, white SUV. It’s brought by all the NPOs in the world. It’s simple, rugged, easy to repair, and cheap. You see them, all the time, on TV.

You’re probably thinking of the 70 Series Land Cruiser which has been in continuous production since 1984. Toyota does modernize the vehicle from time to time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_(J70)

Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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Cant you all just pass some laws that apply to your place only? Why does it have to be a trade.

That's not what was done. The GCA and NFA was imposed on the entire country and none of the gun control advocates are offering to give that up in exchange for more local control. That was the "compromise." (oh yes, we did get an act allowing exemption from prosecution for merely travelling though a restrictive jurisdiction with an illegal weapon, but surprise surprise, places like New York just ignore that anyway and…

But then, "country" feels slighted when "city" eventually grows to encompass some of them.

Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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Freeze LLM progress right here and the future is still totally inconcievable. Humans who have only ever known being able to talk to machines...

It's already inconceivable since today's teenagers have never not had an iPad.

Unless their parents didn't give them one? Ours only had Nooks that only lasted a few years..

Re: Alberta startup sells no-tech tractors for half price

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I think this is a reaction to the incredibly locked down ecosystem that most of these mfgs are pushing. However, the tech exists for a reason and is not inherently bad, the issue is the lock-in, the lack of choice and interoperability. IMO, there is plenty of space for an OEM who can play nice with others, offer an open (and vibrant ecosystem), and keep users coming back by choice, not by lock-in.

It's not only the lock-in, as the document says, its about limiting the downtime. Sailboats have the similar issue: When are are in the middle of the pacific and get an egine problem, you want the engine to be low tech enough to be able to fix, or at least patch, yourself with minimum parts. Yanmar switched its whole lineup of engines to ECU around 2014, but the one without ECU are very much sought after for the abov…

Indeed, my boat has a Yanmar diesel engine from the 1980s. Except for the electrical needs of the starter motor, alternator, and a couple of alarm sensors, Yanmar and other makers of this vintage purposely made these engines to run entirely mechanically.

There are no digital controllers and no consequent promises of higher efficiency or reliability. More than one sailor I've talked to see this absence of electronics as a feature. Sailors are wary of gear that's difficult to understand.

With just a half-decent socket wrench set and a few other common tools, my delicate desk-job hands handle all maintenance tasks and most repairs.

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