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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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That is one possible (specious and self-serving) interpretation of a document that pre-dates the concepts and laws it's being used to prop up. How many of the Pilgrims had a valid modern visa?

USA was founded well after the Pilgrims. I don't think anyone in 1776, or even in the Pilgrim days, was thinking a foreigner should have the right to vote for instance.

>I don't think anyone in 1776, or even in the Pilgrim days, was thinking a foreigner should have the right to vote for instance.

Nor does anyone in 2026. Your point?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#742

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

> It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this If that is to happen, who would enforce the rulings? The DOJ is not neutral and will likely abide to the wishes of the Administration

I wouldn’t say “would likely abide”, I would say “will abide” based on their actions. They are nothing but an extension of the Trump administration at this point.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Wasn't the tarrifs thing one of the things he did illegaly and thats why they are now getting paid back? Whats with the documents he put in his toilet? Destroying the east wing. Its too late now right but shouldn't he followed some procedure? I probably have plenty other examples but thats probablyh enough to get more insight. For me these cases feel like a mix of certain other parts should have steped in but have be…

Nope, the original tariffs were under IEEPA, then Supreme Court ruled they didn't have authority to use IEEPA, so they had to drop those tariffs and start working on refunds. It'd only have been illegal if they kept the tariffs after the ruling. Lot of propaganda & emotions around this straightforward chain of events.

Under this reasoning, it's not illegal to just take things from stores (stores hate this one simple trick). If you're caught and your specific actions are then adjudicated to be illegal, at that point you can just start making a plan to bring the items back (even if some are used/damaged/etc) and everything is fine.

In reality of course, the actions were illegal the whole time. The big festering problem is that there is no actual punishment for government agents who break the law.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#744

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it doesn't. Read the first amendment carefully. People is only used in one specific part, the bulk is about limiting what the lawmakers can do. free speech has no reference to "people"

All amendments are about what limiting lawmakers can do. Even the second. People is only used in one specific part… ok? How does that square your idea of 1A with SCOTUS being very recently clear on 2A not immediately applying to non-citizens?

Unfortunately this SCOTUS is not comprised of those who the founders intended would sit on it.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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post #575

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Yeah, masks and intentionally antagonizing police doesn't scream peaceful protest

It sounds like you're trying to shift the legal goalposts of "peaceful" into something more like "inoffensive" or "respectful" or "polite". For example, you have a First Amendment right to "peacefully" hurl the most awful insults you can think of at a police officer. If that police officer feels "antagonized"--or even if your goal was to hurt their feelings--that does not permit them to abuse the special power of the…

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

> ... it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. I agree: this is exactly what the administration is doing. > I’m generally receptive to point the finger at Google’s intentions but in their defense, administrative subpoenas frequently include non disclosure orders. Except immigration aren't allowed to put gag orders on administrative…

> as a pretext to punish political expression

I sincerely don't understand why deportation is called a punishment in this discussion.

As in any country in the world, US immigration law operates on the principle that a foreigner is granted a PRIVILEGE to be in the US. Or this privilege is denied with no reason whatsoever. Just because it is a PRIVILEGE.

When someone is deported for participating in protests, they are still literally in a better position than the BILLIONS of people who want to be in the US but who are denied this privilege without any justification.

Why do we think this man was punished by the United States, at the same time thing that the BILLIONS of people the US arbitrarily bans from being in its territory were not punished? Compared to those billions, he rather have been granted the privilege of being on US territory (for a while).

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#747

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The liberal media did an absolutely bang-up job covering up Obama's tyranny, and the conservative media wasn't about to start punishing Obama for threatening them with a good time. So nobody in the media talked about it, even though left-wing activists were shouting from the rooftops about the Deporter-in-Chief. Obama might have even campaigned on some of these issues, but DNC insiders are experts at making big promi…

So firstly: no significant group in the US is advocating for "open borders", that term is just a strawman as used in modern politics. Secondly: "open borders is a libertarian policy, not a left-wing one" doesn't really make sense. Saying a particular policy is inherently part of only a single ideology just isn't how ideologies work. Also, if you're looking for anti-statists who view people from all countries as equal…

I make use of the strawman-y American terms because it's the easiest way to avoid getting into long drawn-out arguments about what words mean[0]. So I interpret "open borders" to mean "any immigration policy that is permissive enough that an unqualified migrant with no criminal history can enter a country, apply for a job, and be hired without any additional bureaucratic formalities". Ellis Island, essentially.

"Left" and "Right" are also effectively unmoored from definition (unless you happened to be sitting on a particular side of the room in the Estates General of 1789), so I'm using the Political Compass's definition of those terms. It's fairly safe to say that there are enough commonalities in rhetoric between, say, Kropotkin (left-libertarian) and Lenin (left-authoritarian) that you can put them on one side of a two-dimensional plane and not get laughed out of the room. Likewise, on the right, Mussolini (right-authoritarian) and Rothbard (right-libertarian) didn't agree on much either, but they both wanted what power did exist to be invested in corporations explicitly empowered to put profit over people. You can also make a pan-authoritarian pairing between Stalin and Hitler[1] and a pan-libertarian pairing between Kropotkin and Rothbard, with about the same level of in-fighting on all four sides.

Yes, the Political Compass's definitions have Problems, but they are useful enough to make my point, which is that people whose ideology skews against state power also tend to oppose the state imposing restrictions on entering or exiting a country.

If you want the best argument against my point, it's that right-libertarians can't decide if immigration is a human right to be supported or a welfare program to be abolished. Their argument tends to be something like "Social Security or Ellis Island, pick one". This is a false dichotomy, of course[2], but that wasn't my point. My point was that the American people generally do not care about immigration beyond "we need to get these scary-sounding South American gangs off the streets". America has done a bang-up job of isolating their people from immigration bureaucracy in such a way that most people aren't even aware of how authoritarian the current system is. People talk about "moving to Canada" like it's something people can just unilaterally decide to do, and as if Canada's immigration system wasn't morally equivalent to a rock and a sticky note that said "YOUNG COLLEGE-EDUCATED CHINESE, FRENCH, AND BRAHMIN INDIANS ONLY, ALL OTHERS NEED NOT APPLY".

[0] https://xkcd.com/1984/

[1] Insert joke about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact here.

[2] In practice, the way the EU handled this concern was to let member states put a waiting period on social benefits to prevent migrants from shopping around for the best welfare program to use.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#748

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

You are arguing with the ref that the rules say dogs can't play basketball while a dog dunks on you over and over in the background.

You think "not allowed to" is something this government will ever abide by?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#749

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Oops. Missed that part. Not dishonesty, just carelessness. Since I'm old and don't use TikTok, I have no way to confirm or deny the results of searches on TikTok. If what GP claims (I doubt it) is true, that's certainly a problem and another reason why folks shouldn't use an entertainment platform to get their news.

>If what GP claims (I doubt it) is true Here's a screenshot someone took of a TikTok search for "the uss liberty" https://x.com/hayasaka_aryan/status/1963236545231527957

I'd note that the link you posted is from September, 2025. Before any sale was made.

What's more, the screenshot clearly shows that there's more beneath that message that's been cut off. I wonder what those results were?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#750

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When you're a huge company trying to do business in the US (or any country, for that matter) you have to think very, very carefully before you make an enemy of the government. Google could refuse to go along with this stuff and find itself the subject of a big, expensive anti-trust probe.

Or more simply, a target of a temper tantrum that suddenly declares them a national risk and orders everyone in the government to stop doing business with them.

Not just temper tantrums. This has been happening since the patriot act. Even during Obama’s term where there were obviously no temper tantrums - telco’s were strong armed into sharing call data with the government.

So while the current presidents language is more colorful and entertaining the policy is at least a couple of decades old.

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