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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mikkupikku »

sdoering wrote: post #602
kay_o wrote: post #565

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> Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. This typically results in a ban for TOS violations after a few windows in a row on a claude subscription

I have maxed out my 5 hour limits and my weekly limits fairly regularly, when I did a bunch of editing work on long form writing next to having CC run a few coding tasks over the xmas holidys - I only slept a few hours at night an timed those roughly (by chance) with my limits. I neither got a warning or a ban or anything - and that was with the double token amount during those days. So I don't see human usage being…

It wouldn't really surprise me if their automatic systems are, one way or another, looking for that sleep period. Those ostensibly human users who use the service with no breaks for sleep would be naturally suspect.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by [deleted] »

saintfire wrote: post #690
PunchyHamster wrote: post #576

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No, people want transparency. If it was "x tokens per time interval, then you pay extra", the problem wouldn't exist.

The API offers that. Pay X per month, get Y tokens. Then you can look at all the graphs of money being deleted by OpenClaw, for transparency. People want a free lunch. If the API was cheaper than the subscription then everyone would use the API. Instead people flock to an, apparently, unsustainable pice at a fixed monthly rate; presumably subsidized by others who don't use their full capacity every month.

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by amelius »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

> Every single one of them oversells their capacity.

My meal kit delivery service doesn't.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by wat10000 »

neonstatic wrote: post #420
wat10000 wrote: post #394

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You don't watch Iron Man and want a JARVIS? Current systems are pretty far away from that, but that's the overall draw.

I don't watch superhero stuff. But even with a more classical example of Space Odyssey 2001 - a talking computer has never been something I found even remotely interesting. It took me months to give LLMs a serious try due to this.

I guess everybody's different. I personally like the idea of being able to, say, ask what events I have on my calendar for the day while I'm getting dressed, and be able to get a summary and then engage in followup conversation about it. Or have a little reminder that says, it's time to leave in a few minutes, would you like to turn on your car's climate control? It's not to replace my normal computer usage with a voice interface, but to add new capabilities.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by RIMR »

philistine wrote: post #362
goosejuice wrote: post #160

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What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

You guys are arguing on the reality of a subscription, but Anthropic still resides in the coocoo make-up world of growth at all costs backed up by unfathomable investments. They're not acting rationally by trying to present a good product with reasonable backend fundamentals. They're just trying to maintain the money loss to what they have set aside for the quarter. OpenClaw was not planned for, and thus must be foug…

Anthropic isn't "fighting" OpenClaw. They just want OpenClaw users to switch to API pricing so that their service doesn't become a blackhole for investor money. Operating at a loss can be strategic, but they had to carefully consider the ratio of casual users to power users to keep that loss steady and sustainable.

Power users always cost these services more than they pay, and OpenClaw turns every user into a power user. A recalculation was rational.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mark_l_watson »

g-mork wrote: post #108
colechristensen wrote: post #98

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Every service is being sold at a deep discount chasing market share, but it's not lasting forever.

Speaking only personally of course, I'm completely over the chat idiom in almost every way. Where is all this future demand coming from? By the time Android lands a God mode ultimate voice assistant it's pretty much guaranteed I will be well beyond the point where I'd want to use it. The whole thing is starting to remind me of 3G video calling where the networks thought it'd change everything, and by the end of it wi…

I agree with you and the GP post, even though I am an LLM enthusiast.

My primary interest is using small edge models to perform specific engineering tasks. In this pursuit I do like to use gemini-cli or Antigravity with Claude a few times a week as coding assistants, but I am using relatively few tokens to do this.

I also waste a lot of time, but this is fun time: experimenting with open source coding agents with local models just to see what kinds of results I can get. This is mostly a waste of time, but I enjoy it.

My other favorite use pattern: once or twice a week I like to use the iOS Gemini app in voice mode, and once a month also use video input. I really like this, but it is not life changing.

Externalities matter: I never use frontier LLM-based AI without thinking of energy, data center, and environmental costs.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by coldtea »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #735
coldtea wrote: post #688

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There is also a clear market demand for $10 bills sold for $5, but I don't see you tapping into that opportunity!

I didn't write anything about pricing. I just claim that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction, and because there is clear evidence of such a demand, it would make sense for Anthropic to prepare such an offering.

>I didn't write anything about pricing

Yes, and that's exactly the problem I'm pointig at.

Your comment "that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction" ignores the pricing burden of that, which is why it's confused why Anthropic don't just offer this.

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