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Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Seems like USN can still do whatever it was made for from this large standoff distance, also seems like it wasn't made for chasing individual nondescript trucks in a hundreds-miles-long mountainous shoreline.

> USN can still do whatever it was made for One of the primary functions of navies historically has been to secure vital shipping lanes. It’s a big deal that USN can’t seem to fulfill that function anymore.

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#742
With the strait being that narrow, missiles aren't even needed. Just artillery is enough. That's the main problem here.

Forcible reopening is possible but it involves a lot of airpower, not ships. Make anything unable to approach Iranian shoreline and stay alive, to man even a tiniest rubber boat - including emptying all cities on the coast of people.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#743

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It is so rich hearing that America can attack anybody, but godforbid an attack on the "homeland" is an unforgivable act that will invoke nukes immediately.

That's how nukes work. When it comes to nuclear weapons, the world is divided into haves and have-nots. Anyone lacking effective nuclear response can be steamrolled by those who do with total impunity. The USA has been attacked before but it has never been invaded and forced to fight a war on its own soil against foreign enemies. It's possible that they unconsciously believe war is something they bring to others, nev…

All the more reasons for Iran to drop their self imposed fatwa on nuclear weapons and get a few, to put an end to interference.

Iran has been on the receiving end of weapons of mass destruction, that is, chemical weapons, by way of US sponsored Saddam Hussein and lost close to half a million of their people. Yet they never for once retaliated with such weapons which to them is against their Islam.

Those half a million dead are part of a still unhealed wound and that is felt and remembered in every city and town in Iran.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#744

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People way underestimate what kind of mental fortitude you have to have to fight an overwhelming enemy. That's not something a tourism oriented country like Cuba has. At least I massively doubt that. It lacks the ideology to fight such a war, since you have to be ready to die. That's why Yemen and Vietnam won, while Venezuela folded. This is also why US "culture" is so much more powerful as a weapon than the aircraft…

The willingness to fight until the end, whatever the cost, is not something you rate a priori. The thing with war is that once you have it for a certain amount of time, you create a generation of people whose kids died, wife died, neighbors and family died, you have nothing to loose anymore. There is a critical mass of casualties upon which you effectively create a population whose sole purpose, for generations, will…

Probably have to be quite strong to live in Cuba in the first place.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#746
post #653

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There are videos on r/combatfootage in the early weeks, patriot missiles shooting down drones.

I did a quick search and could only found a missed missile having self destruction. Shaheds have a very distinct noise it shouldn't be too hard to id. While I don't doubt Americans had used patriot on drones, I believe it is because they were(and still are) unprepared and they panicked.

Actually they are using everything they have to combat these cheap drones. That includes Patriot and THAAD systems as well. Specially UAE, which got struck with more drones than Israel. That is how Iran was able to take out a THAAD radar, because it was deployed so close to them.

https://www.dw.com/en/south-korea-uneasy-as-us-moves-air-def...

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/05/middleeast/radar-bases-us...

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#747

A big mistake here was simply underestimating the scale of Iran. Iran has 90,000,000 people. More than 2x Ukraine. More than 2x Germany. More than 2x Iraq. More than any country in Europe. About 2/3 of Russia. Expecting to win a war on the cheap was a fantasy. Especially since Iran has been fighting Israel for years. On the naval front, Ukraine sunk the Moskva with a few truck-mounted missiles. That finally made it u…

The big mistake was underestimating the appetite for rebellion despite 70%-80% wholesale opposition to the regime.[0] I personally know many, many Iranians who welcome the attacks along with their families. All of the high-profile assassinations involve intelligence from Iranians.

However, no one has guns, and government-backed militias roam the streets to maintain order.[1] There is no possibility of military coup. Many officers lives and livelihoods are at stake post-revolution, and they will go to great lengths to protect it. Remember, they killed 30K of their own to quell an uprising.[2] Surveillance is everywhere online and in person.[3] One spy in ten can ruin a revolutionary group. To make things worse, there is no unification around a leader or what should come next.

If anything, this war demonstrates the tyranny and tentacles of the modern state. The well seems forever poisoned once power is lost to despots.

[0]: https://gamaan.org/2025/08/20/analytical-report-on-iranians-...

[1]: https://www.npr.org/2026/03/19/g-s1-114144/iran-voices-war

[2]: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/i...

[3]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-built-a-vast-camera-...

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is so rich hearing that America can attack anybody, but godforbid an attack on the "homeland" is an unforgivable act that will invoke nukes immediately.

That's how nukes work. When it comes to nuclear weapons, the world is divided into haves and have-nots. Anyone lacking effective nuclear response can be steamrolled by those who do with total impunity. The USA has been attacked before but it has never been invaded and forced to fight a war on its own soil against foreign enemies. It's possible that they unconsciously believe war is something they bring to others, nev…

Anyone lacking effective nuclear response can be steamrolled by those who do with total impunity.

Ukraine begs to differ.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#749
post #564

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It is so rich hearing that America can attack anybody, but godforbid an attack on the "homeland" is an unforgivable act that will invoke nukes immediately.

It is so rich you assume an account created in 2013 having no karma is indeed American. Don’t forget this is the internet where 12 year old girls turn out to be 40 yo men.

what are you talking about?

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

#750

Which is why taking out the political leadership is the better tactic. You don't need to fight armies - just make it suicide to command them. Decapitation strikes work. "What if you had a time machine and could go back to kill Hitler?" Well yeah, no need to fight all of Germany. Would the Ukraine war still be going without Putin at the helm? The logical conclusion of drone war is take out whoever controls the drones.

But that approach has demonstrably not worked in this instance because Iran has been planning for this exact scenario.
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