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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Mashimo » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 6:51 AM UTC

kstrauser wrote: post #482

bluegatty wrote: post #284

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That's a very upside down way to think about it. The question is: "are staffers $14 / mo more productive with it, than the free version?" The answer may also boil down to satisfaction, support calls, other things, aka 'total cost of ownership' as well. Not 'But it costs $X million!'. Companies will spend a fortune giving staff the right monitor, or chair, but literally don't think they're smart enough to know the dam…

This is exactly right. You're going to pay a dev on the order of $10,000 per month, then make it harder to do their job to save $14? That's idiocy. The person responsible for picking our work laptops asked me for advice selecting our new Macs since our old model was being replaced: "Do we really need to spend an extra $1000 for 64GB of RAM instead of 24GB?" "That'd save us $300 per year, or about a dollar a day, over…

> You're going to pay a dev on the order of $10,000 per month,

Mhh, far from it.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by rbanffy » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 7:11 AM UTC

hnlmorg wrote: post #724

rbanffy wrote: post #700

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> What people don’t need is someone dictating to them how they should relax after work. Nobody dictates that. What we do is to suggest there might be more rewarding things to do with their time off than watching TV between the dopamine hits from TikTok

Which is ostensibly the same thing

You are not forced to comply with the suggestion.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by hnlmorg » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 7:47 AM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #742

hnlmorg wrote: post #724

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Which is ostensibly the same thing

You are not forced to comply with the suggestion.

If you must argue semantics, then…

Not physically forced, but that doesn’t mean the comments weren’t said in a way that might appear forceful to other people due to the combination of bluntness and lack of compassion.

For something to be dictated, you don’t have to be in a position to enforce those comments.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictate

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by harvey9 » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 8:30 AM UTC

bonoboTP wrote: post #519

harvey9 wrote: post #389

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It should be possible to get creative and business work done on a computer while knowing almost nothing about an os but I use Windows at work and the situation with the file save dialogue in office is a farce. I can't imagine how confusing it is for someone who has no conception of what a file is.

Files and folders are already a helpful metaphor taken from paper based office work. You have container folders and you can put different files (pieces of paper) into different folders. The thing thats a bit conceptually hard for regular people is the nesting, that folders can contain folders can contain folders. The real world has some nesting too, like putting folders in drawers but it's more limited in number of l…

I was particularly referring to Office applications which have a first stage save dialogue with some folders shown but if you want to navigate to another location you need to browse which opens another window. In the physical office metaphor this would be having to change your shoes to look in a different file cabinet

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by amne » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 8:50 AM UTC

ferongr wrote: post #574

deaux wrote: post #416

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None of those. All we need is enforcing laws that are already on the books. Antitrust laws. Break up big tech.

Breaking up Apple would be glorious. Great hardware without an Orwellian OS on top.

there is great hardware other than what Apple produces. It's actually the OS the reason people are buying their hardware for.

I see nothing stopping you from buying a 16" Razer Blade and putting whatever non-Orwellian OS you want on it

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by nineteen999 » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 9:20 AM UTC

Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

This wasn't even the first time for MS .. Win98SE was a similar disaster stuffed full of junk, most people don't remember Vista fondly either. In each case they redeemed themselves temporarily .. XP following 89SE and Windows 7/8 after Vista. History repeats I guess.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by laxpri » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 9:31 AM UTC

why no one is taking about the Stucking problem on windows ,Edge stucks , file explorer stucks even Note pad stucks , even their native apps are not working . Wifi selection is a disaster , it cant even remember the last hotspots it was in , and even if I manually connect it will automatically switch bad network or another one even the hotpots is on . Is this only with me because I am using laptop , why people are not talking about it .

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by alex43578 » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 9:42 AM UTC

runjake wrote: post #561

One point that wasn't mentioned is that we've been through this cycle many times before with Microsoft, and we will again. It wasn't too long ago that Microsoft went "all in" on Windows for developers and power users. WSL was drastically improved, developer tools were revamped and open sourced. The press adored the "new" Microsoft. Many developers moved over to Windows because they "got the best of both worlds". And…

Unfortunately that’s not unique to Microsoft. It’s a fundamental tug of war between the pushback from consumers and the worst ideas and misaligned incentives in an organization

MacOS has had the same ping-pong between good and bad releases, with the latest being particularly poor. Same with video games: one patch brings great fixes, the next introduces absurd cosmetics or a P2W mechanic.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by baq » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 10:12 AM UTC

tsss wrote: post #539

Draiken wrote: post #350

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How the hell can healthy competition breed enshittification? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Take an industry with healthy competition like restaurants. You can compete in price, quality, format, service and probably a lot more. Now tell me how that competition enshittified eating at restaurants? For me, nothing stands out. If a restaurant charges nonsense fees, under-staffs to increase profits, reduce portions…

> Take an industry with healthy competition like restaurants. You can compete in price, quality, format, service and probably a lot more. Yes, and you correctly point out: On the average restaurant visit, nothing stands out. A good restaurant only needs to provide not-terrible food and not-terrible service to be almost indistinguishable from all others. Quality of a restaurant visit is hard to measure and compare. Pr…

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by windex » Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 10:46 AM UTC

With the Mac neo, some of us will not have to tolerate Win 11. They were forcing us to upgrade, well, they made people upgrade to the Mac neo. An all metal Apple notebook that isn't actively user hostil is a massive quality upgrade for most people.