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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by jvillasante »

That article reads like a 5 years old wrote it. In particular the part that says "software-defined vehicles is sweeping the automobile industry" and going further by saying "this is what consumers want and expect".

Yeah, if you're 5 and you want to keep paying subscriptions for a car you already bought! Not to mention software failures, over the air updates, hacking, etc

These tech writers (or bros) need to be replaced by AI or something, total disconnection with reality and what a car is for most people (e.g. it's not a computer and it should be mostly about reliability than anything else).

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by gambiting »

bko wrote: post #735
edgyquant wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cameras and auto start are both godsends and way better improvements than anything else including computerized features

Auto start is pretty much universally hated especially since it's ubiquitous and can usually only be turned off for a single ride. But cool, I'm glad you like it. Cameras and electronics make the car much more expensive to repair. But I'm confused, are you pro-technology in car or are you one of those that say "this exact level of technology is perfect, any more or less would be bad". I see this weird tech hater sent…

>>Auto start is pretty much universally hated especially since it's ubiquitous and can usually only be turned off for a single ride.

Which I absolutely don't understand. It's a fantastic technology and I wish I could retro-fit them to some of my older cars too, it's literally fantastic. Like, who likes sitting in standstill traffic and listening to their 4 cylinder rambler working when they are just standing still???? Even in my V8 LR3 I wish the engine would just shut off when in traffic, it's extra noise that's not needed or welcome inside the cabin. Especially since the advent of integrated starter generators, all the old arguments against it, how it's slow to start or how it wears out the starter motor have literally disappeared. But you still see people rabidly complain about it on forums, for no reason that I can see anywhere, other than "I just don't like it".

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by nxm »

Loughla wrote: post #363
stackghost wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans in most of their country are besieged by massive SUVs and pickups. Driving a tiny little Japanese/Chinese import in, say, Oklahoma is asking to get literally run over.

I get the trucks and SUV's where you need them. I live in a rural area and without ground clearance and 4x4, I literally wouldn't be able to visit my parents. But my daily driver is a Honda Civic. Because 75% of my driving is done on paved roads that are well maintained (except in the winter). What kills me are the MASSIVE vehicles in the suburbs though. Why do you need a 3 ton suburban to drive around 2 kids on very…

Towing a boat or camper is quite common - not gonna get a second vehicle just for that.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by LightBug1 »

Nevermark wrote: post #688
drnick1 wrote: post #608

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> I've often thought the touch screen should be replaced by a socket that accepts an iPad, The last thing I need is Apple spying on me when I am driving.

Do you have a car now? A phone? If you are wearing pants you are being tracked right now!

2005 Toyota, baby! No fucking internet connection or touch screen.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by sReinwald »

chii wrote: post #498
slg wrote: post #415

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It's interesting how many complaints I see on HN that are framed as if they're complaints about a specific piece of technology when they are really complaints about capitalism. I'm all ears if you want to criticize our entire economic system, but I think it's silly to have that conversation specifically in the context of car software rather than at a societal level.

> when they are really complaints about capitalism it's not a complaint about capitalism. It's a complaint about asymmetric bargaining power in the seller/buyer relationship. That's not inherent in capitalism. It's inherent in an anti-competitive market. The failure is in gov't making sure there's sufficient regulation to prevent monopolistic practises.

"It's not a complaint about water. It's a complaint about the wetness."

If capitalism requires constant vigilant government intervention to prevent monopolistic practices, anti-competitive markets, and asymmetric bargaining power, then it seems to me that this is absolutely a complaint about capitalism. If anything, your comment just makes the indictment more damning.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

neya wrote: post #453
rkagerer wrote: post #308

Honda is setting itself up for failure on the second disruption sweeping the automotive industry: the software-defined vehicle (SDV), which has core capabilities that can be upgraded and improved over time. No thank you. Not sure why the author frames this as a good thing. They've been bamboozled by the automakers and have got it backwards - you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled,…

Most people including the author think more software = premium/better. But as software engineers, we know better. That's not the case at all. More software = more control by everyone else except you. Manufacturers. Governments. For this reason, I always avoid cars with big flashy LCD screens that are central to controlling the cars accessories like sunroof, AC and other electricals. The other issue is support. So man…

Telling that to normies would usually give me blanks stares and "nothing to hide" or "don't care" arguments.

My "but your situation my change" and "gov can turn bad" arguments never hit. People are terrible at projecting themselves. That's why climate change is so hard to fight. It's too far and abstract.

Humans need to feel concrete and awful pain to realize their mistake and learn.

But I'm hoping the Trump situation is going to cause that. Now that the US is at the brink of dictatorship (some might argue it's already there), maybe American citizens will realize that putting their entire life on a centralized platform, having non encrypted communications and spying devices everywhere is a terrible idea.

I'm not very optimistic though.

And even if they do, in 3 generations, they will have forgotten. I have no idea how to fix this.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by defrost »

nxm wrote: post #743
Loughla wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the trucks and SUV's where you need them. I live in a rural area and without ground clearance and 4x4, I literally wouldn't be able to visit my parents. But my daily driver is a Honda Civic. Because 75% of my driving is done on paved roads that are well maintained (except in the winter). What kills me are the MASSIVE vehicles in the suburbs though. Why do you need a 3 ton suburban to drive around 2 kids on very…

Towing a boat or camper is quite common - not gonna get a second vehicle just for that.

You can tow a boat, caravan, etc. with a smaller Holden Rodeo crew cab at 1.5 tonne (and / or many other vehicles that are not massive over sized yank tanks).

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by rbanffy »

Is this a global direction or just the US market? If it's only US, this might make sense - they might just want to cut their losses and wait for a scenario where they could better compete in the US.

If this is a global direction, it sounds suicidal.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by Vinnl »

ggm-at-algebras wrote: post #349

In Shenzhen for a tech meeting. The streetscape is quieter, despite high traffic levels and I hear not only MORE birdsong, but the birds do more complex songlines. The air is clean. For sure some of this is because it's a coastal city and has fresh sea breezes, but I've been in other Chinese coastal cities in times past and the air was significantly less clean. There are social upsides for an almost-all-EV city. This…

AFAIK, beyond a certain speed (~25km/h?), EVs make just as much noise as ICEs, since the noise is then mainly generated by the tyres hitting the road. So I'm somewhat sceptical about this claim.

Dutch city centres can be really crowded and yet actually quiet, because there are practically no cars. It's probably not Shenzen-level crowded, but I'd bet that the number of people that are being transported at busy locations isn't too far behind.

(As popular slogan is "cities aren't noisy, cars are noisy".)

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

rkagerer wrote: post #308

Honda is setting itself up for failure on the second disruption sweeping the automotive industry: the software-defined vehicle (SDV), which has core capabilities that can be upgraded and improved over time. No thank you. Not sure why the author frames this as a good thing. They've been bamboozled by the automakers and have got it backwards - you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled,…

Honda is going to be the "opt-out" on that future car. And if one defect - the mafia has to pay you to raise your prices to prevent mass-defection by the customers from what is essentially a defect by default car.

Honda is going to get kickbacks by the EV industry to be more expensive.

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