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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by burner420042 »

samantha-wiki wrote: post #723
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

I agree strongly with this. I would ditch my iPhone in a heartbeat for an open source alternative.

I'm sure the enthusiasm is appreciated but Graphene is very different even from stock Android. It's not simple enough for mainstream, and UI is odd.

I'm typing this on an iPhone and my pixel 10 graphene is just to my left. It's my favorite Android distro but I wouldn't daily it.

I love how boring and quiet the OS is though. It doesn't try for engagement. Battery life remains very good. The distro is close to being what the Microsoft phone wanted to be.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by summm »

Arainach wrote: post #654
evolve2k wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter-point; we are in times of mass upheaval and protest. Purchasing a secure phone is desirable to almost anyone who is increasingly worried about state and corporate actors, especially those that would seek to surveil and coerce. I suspect some will buy these phones as a daily driver, some as a second phone. Institutional trust is at an all time low, this is a smart move selling into the growing demand for secur…

Consumers, when faced with a $100 Microwave that will last 2 years and a $130 microwave that will last ten, will buy the cheaper one nearly always. They don't care. Consumers, when faced with a phone that offers "privacy" but that doesn't work with their banking app or their favorite game, will return it and get the non-privacy phone essentially every time.

Microwaves are a bad example. The cheaper ones are white labels basically all made in the same factory in China. The customer has no way to know if the slightly more expensive one is actually more durable or, much more likely, just the same, but generates more profit for the intermediaries. In this situation it is wiser to get the cheaper one.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by wiredpancake »

Copernicron wrote: post #588
j_maffe wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> WhatsApp is out of the question for a huge portion of the population. What an insane take this is.

How is it an insane take? My mother is in her seventies, has an iphone, and can't seem to figure out how to put me on speakerphone when I call her. It's a struggle to get her to do much of anything on there. My father is even worse. They didn't grow up with the technology like younger generations did and just don't get it.

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by lossyalgo »

jraph wrote: post #725
al_borland wrote: post #717

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every non-technical person I’ve talked to doesn’t seem to care. In many cases I think it’s because they don’t really understand or the threat is too abstract. For example, collecting information to display ads and manipulate an algorithm to influence how a person thinks, feels, and consumes, for fun and profit. Since they can’t see it, think they’re above it, and see stuff that makes them laugh, they just keep going.…

I suppose it depends on the area then. Or maybe I'm in my own bubble. Most people I know aren't particularly technical, and many of them are at least concerned or aware of these topics, even if they haven't taken any concrete actions (yet). Keep trying to gently spread the word then, that's a good thing to do (without being annoying!). It takes time, but it eventually pays.

I also have a lot of friends who deleted WhatsApp, Facebook, etc. over the years due to privacy concerns. I also know a few people who have dumb phones for the same reason. I have gotten a couple friends to install NetGuard firewall on their Android phones and gave them a quick tutorial how to whitelist new apps and they are very happy that they have some sort of control about what comes in/goes out of their phones. All of the above groups are very non-technical. And on the other end, 50% of my technical friends don't seem to give a shit anymore - maybe they realize it's futile to even try, since the panopticon is multi-faceted and drains a lot of energy trying to keep prying eyes away. Ignorance can be bliss?

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by fsflover »

theLiminator wrote: post #711
turf_penguin wrote: post #703

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It doesn't matter how many know what open source means - they all use it in some manner after all. Take away open source and there would barely be a large tech company left standing.

I'm not arguing against that, I'm just saying that open source labelling isn't a feature to users. The downstream effects of something being open source might acquire users, but being open source in of itself doesn't do anything except for a very tiny slice of the population. I'd say (in the US) more than half of the software developers I know use an Apple phone despite Android being much more open. Whenever I'm on H…

> open source labelling isn't a feature to users

> The downstream effects of something being open source might acquire users

So labeling means nothing, but open-source is important to users. See also: enshittification.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by fsflover »

samantha-wiki wrote: post #723
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

I agree strongly with this. I would ditch my iPhone in a heartbeat for an open source alternative.

Librem 5 runs an FSF-endorsed operating system, PureOS.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by LinAGKar »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #387

Does this mean that Google has dropped the "if you release a phone running a fork of Android you lose access to Play Services" thing?

They already can't have had such a requirement, since the Fairphone can be bought with either Google apps or /e/OS.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by Arainach »

summm wrote: post #742
Arainach wrote: post #654

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consumers, when faced with a $100 Microwave that will last 2 years and a $130 microwave that will last ten, will buy the cheaper one nearly always. They don't care. Consumers, when faced with a phone that offers "privacy" but that doesn't work with their banking app or their favorite game, will return it and get the non-privacy phone essentially every time.

Microwaves are a bad example. The cheaper ones are white labels basically all made in the same factory in China. The customer has no way to know if the slightly more expensive one is actually more durable or, much more likely, just the same, but generates more profit for the intermediaries. In this situation it is wiser to get the cheaper one.

Consumers have no way to tell that a phone gives "privacy" or even to understand the implications of that to their life. They have a significantly easier time understanding an error message that says "because your device has an unlocked bootloader, you can't use the app"

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by h4kunamata »

Hell yeah, so Motorola is the OEM they have been quietly working with. Millennials are gonna lose their shit lmao

Motorola used to be huge back in the day, and their come back couldn't have been more noisier, GOS is the only mobile operating system worth using in an era of age verification and privacy issues due to the heavy dependency on USA tech companies. Android is heavily customised by the OEMs like Samsung, Google, iPhone is just another nightmware apart.

Linux is the most used OS worldwide, everything that our socienty depends on is running Linux, you might be using Windows, macOS, but the services and everything else is quietly running Linux.

Windows is the main OS used by users/offices only, it is a very small number.

Also, 2026 is the year Linux stopped living in the shadows!!

We have to thank this all to AI, if Microslot handn't pushed AI so hard and destroyed Windows for end-users, and Steam with Linux alone proving to the gigantic gaming community that Linux can do the same and better, we wouldn't have Linux replacing end-users/offices computer that used to run Windows this fast.

Thanks AI.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by h4kunamata »

al_borland wrote: post #704
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

Only if they can make it easy to use without compromising on what makes GrapheneOS what it is. I’m in the Apple ecosystem, but was curious about it after hearing so many people talk about it. Linus Tech Tips made a video on it a while back and for those who don’t want to tinker, it sounded like it could be a bit of a nightmare. At my age, I’m not looking for my phone to become a hobby. This generally means sensible d…

>At my age, I’m not looking for my phone to become a hobby.

Yout first mistake was to consume Linus content. Its reviews are biased and compromised.

And no, GOS is not a hobby. I have been using it for 3-4y on a brand new (back then) Google Pixel 7 PRO.

You install it following the instructions on the browser, it is next-next-finish process. Once done, you use it like a normal phone but without Google Apps installed all over the place.

You have the freedom to install the apps you please, when you please, while GOS itself makes sure that if you ever install Google Apps, it never has access to your data, it runs sandboxed but from an user pov, it just run.

Plus the security features, you cannot break into a locked GOS. Oh the cops, airport wanna take your phone by force?? Good luck!!

We receive security updates that other phones can take up to 6 months to receive.

You don't need to have a bachelor degree, an engineer to use GOS, it is not a hobby either.

Ironically, GOS makes me waste less time with phone, there are days that my battery is still like 78% by bed time.

You use your phone more wisely, banking, news, social media if you are into it, stock market, etc, without letting Google, Samsung, Apple to harvest your shit.

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