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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by fortran77 »

stackedinserter wrote: post #639
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

You say that like US and Israel hit Iceland or Portugal. Like, Iran wasn't source of terror on Middle East, funding terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbolla and Houthi. Like, Iran didn't make "death to Israel, death to America" their national idea. Remind us of Ukrainian rocket attacks on Russian cities, that provoked Ruso-Ukrainian war. You can't not know all of this, so you're either a hamas/russian shill or a useful…

I really hope our Government seeks out all these terrorists and Iran boosters on Hacker News who work in high tech. It’s a supply chain risk and none of them should be working.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by sosomoxie »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #613
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

> And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I would argue that funding Axis of Resistance from Hezbollah to Houthis is aggression too. Let’s not pretend that IR minded their own business, and suddenly was under attack.

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by red75prime »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #636
niemandhier wrote: post #342

Previous conflicts between the involved parties were intense but also defined by constrain on both sides. Israel did not mass bomb civilians, and Iranian agents did not commit sabotage against infrastructure on US soil. I hope this pattern persists. A hand full of determined Ukrainians managed to blow up North Stream, some people plunged part of Berlin into darkness for 2 weeks. Power and data cables as well as pipel…

> Israel did not mass bomb civilians Within an hour Israel blew up an elementary school, killing 80 civilians.

A school located at 27.109828°N, 57.084744°E was hit and partially collapsed. That is the extent of the hard evidence.

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Post by kenjackson »

ourmandave wrote: post #577

Again, little to no information for the US public. No approval from Congress. Calling for the people to rise up. You can't bomb your way into regime change. Are we supplying arms to groups? Is there a plan beyond pointless death and regional chaos the president would like to share?

A plan? Actually there is. This is all part of the backdrop to end US elections. We can’t have elections in the middle of a major war. And if we do have them we must greatly constrain how they are held while we are at war.

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Post by mmustapic »

breppp wrote: post #53
ivraatiems wrote: post #34

I was discussing this with a friend today. It just feels like there's no point to these actions. Not in the sense of "I don't ideologically agree with our decision to do this," but in the sense of, "I do not see how this accomplishes any ideological or practical goal." What are they trying for? Regime change in Iran? No more Iranian nuclear program? There barely was one before. Keeping Israel safe? It's been an open…

The point is preventing another North Korea style nuclear blackmail state. Iran has negotiated like no one will ever attack it, and that was a correct assumption for decades However, due to Iran's overly aggressive use of questionably rational proxies, Hamas has dragged it into a regional conflict where it lost most of its proxies power. After the last war, it also is no longer a threshold state, so the only leverage…

Iran's nuclear program cannot produce usable nuclear weapons just with enriched uranium, so there's no risk at all for them to blackmail anybody.

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Post by pphysch »

parineum wrote: post #716
ourmandave wrote: post #577

Again, little to no information for the US public. No approval from Congress. Calling for the people to rise up. You can't bomb your way into regime change. Are we supplying arms to groups? Is there a plan beyond pointless death and regional chaos the president would like to share?

> No approval from Congress. I don't support it but there's blanket approval from Congress from the AUMF.

And when was that approval passed?

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Post by butterbomb »

AbstractH24 wrote: post #415
yodsanklai wrote: post #396

Nothing like a war to boost your popularity just before the elections

Only I’m not exactly sure what constituency will support this war. He wasn’t even smart enough to leave America open to attack, manufacture a pretext, and rally people around the flag like 9/11 Heck, there was even a better case in Korea & Vietnam. Even Venezuela. What’s the case this is America’s problem?

> Only I’m not exactly sure what constituency will support this war.

The remaining neocons who have surprisingly managed to weasel their way back into influence.

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Post by pphysch »

rambojohnson wrote: post #712
Arun2009 wrote: post #426

I am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA. I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own…

You’re mistaking the packaging for the product. Religion is the language leaders use. Power, territory, oil corridors, regional dominance, and domestic political survival are what they’re actually fighting over. Tehran isn’t calculating missile ranges based on sutras. Washington doesn’t position carrier groups because of metaphysics. Israel’s security doctrine isn’t a meditation retreat. Spiritual narratives make cle…

> Israel’s security doctrine isn’t a meditation retreat.

"Security doctrine" is quite a euphemism for aggressive territorial expansion and ethnic cleansing, which is tightly wrapped in religious rhetoric.

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