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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by mnewme »

moorebob wrote: post #728
ReptileMan wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Prosecute people that use the tools, not the tool makers if AI generated content is breaking the law. A provider should have no responsibility how the tools are used. It is on users. This is a can of worms that should stay closed, because we all lose freedoms just because of couple of bad actors. AI and tool main job is to obey. We are hurling at "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" future with b…

But how would we bring down our political boogieman Elon Musk if we take that approach? Everything I read from X's competitors in the media tells me to hate X, and hate Elon. If we prosecute people not tools, how are we going to stop X from hurting the commercial interests of our favourite establishment politicians and legacy media?

People defending allowing CSAM content was definitely not on my bingo card for 2026.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by krautburglar »

Raid all of them. Raid Google. Raid Facebook. Raid Apple. Raid Microsoft. Big tech has gotten away with everything from fraud[0] to murder[1] for decades. Black outfits. Rappel lines. Automatics. Touch that server Prakesh, and you won't live to touch another.

[0] https://nypost.com/2025/12/15/business/facebook-most-cited-i... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suchir_Balaji

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by mnewme »

moorebob wrote: post #731
mnewme wrote: post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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They are not doing anything that is the problem. X just doesn’t care at all.

But they are happy to censor for countries like turkey

Hypocrisy level 1 million

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by actionfromafar »

andrepd wrote: post #707
actionfromafar wrote: post #683

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I think you are going a bit too far. Let's start from the beginning, create and own: You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper. You created that and own that. Thas has always been illegal ?! (This is apart from my feelings on Mechahitler/Grok, which aren't positive.)

> You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper. Is twitter a piece of paper in your desk? No, it's not.

Right.

OP had "It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store "

It would make more sense then to instead say:

"It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to distribute "

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by littlestymaar »

kypro wrote: post #718
yxhuvud wrote: post #590

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Yes, if you don't follow EU laws prepare to not do business in Europe. Likewise, if you don't follow US laws I'd advise against trying to do business in USA.

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> EU regulation isn't really there to be followed, it's there to extract cash from foreign companies

Compare the DOJ fines on European banks and automakers with European fines on tech companies and you'll realize how ridiculous this claim is.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by kakacik »

ReptileMan wrote: post #655
mnewme wrote: post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

I disagree. Prosecute people that use the tools, not the tool makers if AI generated content is breaking the law. A provider should have no responsibility how the tools are used. It is on users. This is a can of worms that should stay closed, because we all lose freedoms just because of couple of bad actors. AI and tool main job is to obey. We are hurling at "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" future with b…

You won't find much agreement with your opinion amongst most people. No matter of many "this should and this shouldn't" is written into text by single individual, thats not how morals work.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by master-lincoln »

KaiserPro wrote: post #579
exodust wrote: post #531

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> I remember when CSAM meant actual children not computer graphics. The "oh its photoshop" defence was an early one, which required the law to change in the uk to be "depictions" of children, so that people who talk about ebephiles don't have an out for creating/distributing illegal content.

There still needs to be sexual abuse depicted, no? Just naked kids should not be an issue, right?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by andrepd »

actionfromafar wrote: post #744
andrepd wrote: post #707

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper. Is twitter a piece of paper in your desk? No, it's not.

Right. OP had "It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create , own , distribute or store " It would make more sense then to instead say: "It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to distribute "

Again, AI deepfakes are not sketches in a piece of paper. There's a massive difference between drawing your coworker naked on a piece of paper (weird, but certainly not criminal), and going "grok generate a video of my coworker bouncing on my d*ck". Not to mention the latter is generated and stored god knows where, against the consent of the depicted person.
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