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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by jraby3 »

joenot443 wrote: post #445
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

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It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

Arguably what's happening in Iran is so much worse.

The majority of people killed in Gaza were terrorists while in Iran they are mostly peaceful protestors.

I think the main reason is that propaganda really works! Qatar has spent $20B on US education alone, and Qatar Russia and China have launched a massive propaganda campaign to divide the US. The left was silent on Sudan, Syria, and Nigeria as well.

No Jews no news.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by CMay »

derelicta wrote: post #718
CMay wrote: post #492

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The CIA is definitely operating in Iran. Nobody reasonable will deny that. Mossad is too, guaranteed. How inflated their numbers are, I don't know, but even just the confirmed numbers of dead both officially and unofficially are too high. At this point they need to split the country so people who want to live differently can do so. Maybe that would prevent needing to bomb the Iranian government into oblivion.

Splitting the country in two? Okay, but then you show them how to do it with YOUR country as example. I'm sure your freedom loving soul won't mind leading the way.

Our country is already split into a bunch of pieces, so that's easy. In the US, many people do move when they don't like the local policies and there are many different states to choose from that handle issues differently.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by alexwebb2 »

jraby3 wrote: post #741
joenot443 wrote: post #445

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I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

Arguably what's happening in Iran is so much worse. The majority of people killed in Gaza were terrorists while in Iran they are mostly peaceful protestors. I think the main reason is that propaganda really works! Qatar has spent $20B on US education alone, and Qatar Russia and China have launched a massive propaganda campaign to divide the US. The left was silent on Sudan, Syria, and Nigeria as well. No Jews no news…

> The majority of people killed in Gaza were terrorists

Not true at all. Terrorist supporters != terrorists

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by inglor_cz »

selectively wrote: post #573
inglor_cz wrote: post #342

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I don't worry much here, given that HN isn't a very lucrative space to infest with bots. We will hold out for a few years here. I am no longer on Facebook or Twitter/X, where that question is very relevant.

Hn is loaded with bots and this thread in particular is full of things that somehow have less political literacy than the typical American 8th grader.

That is not really rare among engineers. Being able to write code does not require much political literacy, and I met more than a few political illiterates who were decent coders. In person, no bots.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by severino »

namlem wrote: post #726
severino wrote: post #651

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Russias' narrative about its special operation in Ukraine is also about a defensive war. I'm curious to know about your stance on this Russian-Ukraine conflict.

Ukraine didn't attack Russia. Hamas attacked Israel.

Didn't know Hamas was a country now.

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Post by direwolf20 »

mhb wrote: post #737
direwolf20 wrote: post #665

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I'm pretty sure Iran and Israel are enemies. Israel picked a fight with every single country in the region, to my knowledge, except for the other USA allies.

> Israel picked a fight Right. By existing.

By invading and attacking.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by direwolf20 »

hersko wrote: post #731
direwolf20 wrote: post #606

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The war has lasted over 70 years.

Nope. Wars end. They always have. The Israeli war of independence is done. Just because you were on the losing side does not give you the perpetual right to attack Israel. This is very basic stuff.

When did the Israeli invasion of Palestine end?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by foltik »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #481
TacticalCoder wrote: post #120

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> Whether it leads to a violent revolution or a static police state like North Korea remains to be seen. The official name of Iran is "The Islamic Republic of Iran" and it is a country ruled by sharia law. Countries ruled by Sharia are already totalitarian states.

Coming soon to a city near you!

What makes you think so?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by NonHyloMorph »

germandiago wrote: post #477
diego_moita wrote: post #459

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I disagree. There are deeper aspects in this tragedy. I don't want to be called "leftist" because I don't want to belong to any tribe. But I do embrace a lot of the humanist ideals of the so called "progressives" and I think they might have some moral ground in here. But feel free to call me whatever you want. In my perspective, the oppression in Iran is different from what is going on in Gaza. It is more like what h…

> a lot of the humanist ideals of the so called "progressives" To the best of my knowledge this is not progressive but christian in origin in our westerner societies... never mind you are not a christian. In the west it has been like that historically.

Reading recommendation: Sylvia Wynter - the ceremony must be found. -> on the origin and complexities of the founding of the studia humanitatis - and s loz more (e.g. cybernetic epistemics in the biologies) well worth a read. There is a full pdf circulating freely online. Go make the best of your knowledge a bit better. You are not precisely wrong but the attributuion to christianity misses the important mutation in that the studia departed from christian orthodoxy

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by _menelaus »

diffs wrote: post #609
_menelaus wrote: post #583

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Netanyahu came before Congress in 2002 to strongly urge the invasion of Iraq. What universe are you living in?

Ariel Sharon was the prime minister of Israel in 2002. Netanyahu was a civilian. You seem to be unable to tell these two very different people apart. I suggest going easy on the green stuff.

Current prime minister, former and future prime minister, that's an irrelevant distinction here. Clearly the Israelis thought the Iraq war was in their interest, which is the original claim here, and is clearly evidenced by Israeli attempts to lobby in favor of the invasion.
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