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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Is there something inherent in conservativism that you have to be a bigot to be one? I didn't know. Your comment is a bit "no true Scotsman vibes".

However conservatives define conservatism in their mind it always ends up for a vote for the bigots in the ballot.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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You fundamentally don't understand America or Americans. You fundamentally don't understand the Constitution or the rights we by nature have, and that it protects (not grants). Continue to disparage a man murdered by our government. Continue to point out he was murdered for exercising his constitutional rights. Maybe at some point you will piece it together instead of saying it was justified because he dared exercise…

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> You cannot shout "fire!" in a crowded theater.

This meme came from a supreme court decision that found that distributing anti war flyers was illegal. Is this really the approach you want to take?

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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A civilised country can not be destroyed by one king, nor saved by a new leader. America has checks and balances, and they have failed. There’s no “wait 3 years”, that’s over, as America will always be one election away from anarchy or worse. The only way out is the Republican Party impeaching him and spending the next 10 years undoing the damage at the top and next 40 year rebuilding civil society.

Never in the past an irreversible decline of a hundred long empire has started in one year. Abrupt crisis end abruptly. Never any political party has impeached it's winning leader. Nowadays the country needs a Dem President, whoever they are. The new billionaires will have different priorities, again not friendly but more peaceful. You just have to wait, as we do in my country every now and then.

This hasn’t started in one year, it’s been going over a decade, probably since the GFC and rise of the tea party.

It’s not about Trump, it’s the 85m that voted for Trump.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Based on the history of interactions I’ve had with you, you didn’t have your interest piqued, you were looking for a reason that it could be blamed on the victim for information that the shooter had no way of knowing prior to pulling the trigger. Don’t “apparently” this crowd when you are obviously JAQing off.

So you made a bad assumption.

I'm pretty sure you're the same guy I told I'm for completely open borders, but somehow you got it in your head I'm trying to make excuses for ICE. I'm also of the opinion that the second amendment also applies to illegal immigrants, though the courts generally don't agree with this. But you decided I said some things you consider "right wing" earlier so I must agree with whatever Trump's Gestapo is doing.

The truth is, I couldn't even wrap my head around why they were even arresting the guy, because I couldn't understand why they were going after someone with a permit, which usually requires legal status. My interest relates to the fact that if the federal courts in his jurisdiction didn't agree out of status had 2A rights, and he had a valid permit and legally owned a gun, it should establish he shouldn't be of interest to ICE.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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post #721

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We were discussing post level moderation and not comment level moderation. I'm suggesting the site allow more politics, I'm not condoning abandoning all the site’s rules. I don't think the level of discourse in the comments is being improved by the current level of post level moderation. The most noticeable impact is simply prompting tangents into the post level moderation itself like it did here which arguably lower…

Let's be honest: you're doing much more than "suggesting". The whole reason we can't have these posts on the front page is that the comments in the threads so frequently break the guidelines and turn the site into a place that repels people who want to have thoughtful discussions. So there is no yet-known way to have our cake and eat it; the presence of these stories on the front page means abandoning the site's rule…

The discussion on this thread has actually been fine, apart from one account that has been all over the place repeating absolute nonsense (consistent with their overall recent post history on political topics). Most of their posts have already been flagged, and much of the resulting noise could have been avoided by rate limiting them. So I’m not sure that this particular discussion really proves your point (though it is only one example). You could easily find more contentious discussions about Rust or Apple.

Provocative political articles about the UK seem more likely to escape flagging, which has the strange consequence that HN sometimes seems to spend more energy decrying the current state of the UK than that of the US, despite the relative imbalance in user numbers.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Americans, where will you realize that the longer you wait, the worse it will get ? The whole country should be in the streets now. You guys are fast tracking your way into a dictatorship, and unfortunately you may drag the entire Western world with you. The videos from this are numerous and very clear about what happened. And yet, all the officials are telling that a guy is a domestic terrorist and approached ICE of…

Trouble is they elected this lot. Trump ran saying he'd deport millions. Maybe in subsequent elections that will change?

See this from 2024 "Trump explains his militaristic plan to deport 15-20 million people" https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/trump-immigratio...

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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That gives them the martial law and unlimited terms they're looking for.

What unlimited terms? It seems like they can kill whoever they want whenever they want. And I don't think there are enough of them to fight a civil war.

The command structures are coopted at this point. It might be enough to hold on to power when direct confrontation happens. Things happening in the US now are insane and the most insane part to me is how clear that this is the direction the Trump train was taking it. And people would just not stop going down this road.

Welcome to the new world. It will suck for a long time from now on.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Wikipedia has a page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti

Man, I hate that they "both sides" this. "DHS says he approached with a handgun, NYT says the video shows a phone" makes it seem like just an unlucky misunderstanding. But the DHS quote clearly is a straight up lie based on video evidence, and this doesn't convey how it was a straight up execution and that all the escalation was done by the officers.

From my reading of the evidence so far it seems there was a misunderstanding. Looks like one of the ICE guys said he has a gun, took the gun but the others didn't realise the gun had been taken.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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post #691

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Based on the history of interactions I’ve had with you, you didn’t have your interest piqued, you were looking for a reason that it could be blamed on the victim for information that the shooter had no way of knowing prior to pulling the trigger. Don’t “apparently” this crowd when you are obviously JAQing off.

So you made a bad assumption. I'm pretty sure you're the same guy I told I'm for completely open borders, but somehow you got it in your head I'm trying to make excuses for ICE. I'm also of the opinion that the second amendment also applies to illegal immigrants, though the courts generally don't agree with this. But you decided I said some things you consider "right wing" earlier so I must agree with whatever Trump'…

> So you made a bad assumption.

Nope.

You're asking about the immigration status of a guy we all watched get executed.

JAQ off harder.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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post #749

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So you made a bad assumption. I'm pretty sure you're the same guy I told I'm for completely open borders, but somehow you got it in your head I'm trying to make excuses for ICE. I'm also of the opinion that the second amendment also applies to illegal immigrants, though the courts generally don't agree with this. But you decided I said some things you consider "right wing" earlier so I must agree with whatever Trump'…

> So you made a bad assumption. Nope. You're asking about the immigration status of a guy we all watched get executed. JAQ off harder.

You find it unusual to ask about the immigration status of people arrested by those who's entire job is to only arrest people who are out of status?

Him being in-status is damning to ICE, not the victim.

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