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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by pjmlp »

mghackerlady wrote: post #740
pjmlp wrote: post #726

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Since Android has 70% of the world market share, and there are countries where iOS is hardly a presence other than the country's elite population, those are quite a few customers they will be missing on. Maybe they can keep the lights on with those 30%, I guess.

The thing is, iOS users are far more likely to actually pay for something on the app store or pay to remove ads

Thing is, many countries hardly have iOS users, yet they still have a local economy to serve.

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Post by pbmonster »

neves wrote: post #484
pbmonster wrote: post #415

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A YouTube client that can't AdBlock and SponsorBlock automatically is strictly worse.

Is there clients that block? I just use Brave browser

PipePipe and Revanced both do both perfectly.

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Post by estimator7292 »

goldenarm wrote: post #182

Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. Also software installation in Android has been high friction for a while. Installing an APK on my phone is at least 10 clicks.

This is revisionist history to make things sound scary and evil. The term sideloading was first published before Google existed.

Go to the XDA forums and search for the word "sideload". You can filter for results before 2020 if you like, you get hits going back decades.

It's been in common use since the day we got smartphones. The term dates back to the 1990s. I remember reading the word when I bought my HTC Evo at launch. It's an industry standard term and has been for longer than Google has existed.

You know this is the internet and anyone can fact check anything at any time? Including you!

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Post by estimator7292 »

archvile wrote: post #403
gruez wrote: post #383

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>Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. No it's not. The term originated far before this debacle, and carries a meaningful distinction than just "installing". Specifically it means installing from a non-first party source. You might not agree the restriction should exist, or that even the concept of first party source at all, but for c…

So... installing software? >Specifically it means installing from a non-first party source. Just like 99% of software running on computers in the world today? How is it different from "installing software"?

How are "programming" "coding" and "developing" different? Is a "tap" different from a "click"? How about "swipe" vs "drag"?

Sometimes we use different words in different contexts. Language usually doesn't make logical sense. In mobile environments you sideload to get the binary onto the device and use the OS to properly install it. This dates from a time where putting the binary on the device was the difficult part. Devices didn't have standard ports or fast/free wireless data. You had to do something special to transfer the data.

In a lot of cases, installation was also a separate special process involving the command line. It wasn't always just tapping the install button.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by estimator7292 »

If anyone wants to debate whether sideloading is a neologism, take it up with Sandisk circa 2007 https://xdaforums.com/t/sandisk-announcement.316860/

You're free to search XDA Forum. 2007 was the earliest mention I saw, but conversation seems to start in earnest around 2009 and never stops. Consistent hits in search from the last TWENTY YEARS.

This is not new. It may be new to you but any scary and evil connotations are your own ignorance. The term has been in common use for decades.

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Post by estimator7292 »

glenstein wrote: post #463
gruez wrote: post #383

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>Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. No it's not. The term originated far before this debacle, and carries a meaningful distinction than just "installing". Specifically it means installing from a non-first party source. You might not agree the restriction should exist, or that even the concept of first party source at all, but for c…

>No it's not. The term originated far before this debacle, and carries a meaningful distinction than just "installing". Specifically it means installing from a non-first party source It's amazing how many confidently wrong people are springing up out of the wordwork to present revisionist history about the meaning of "install" like it's ancient wisdom. Pre-mobile computing treated "install" as neutral and primary and…

2007 https://xdaforums.com/t/sandisk-announcement.316860/

2009 https://xdaforums.com/t/android-market-updates-on-sideloaded...

2012 https://xdaforums.com/t/app-wifi-band-switcher-switch-betwee...

2014 https://xdaforums.com/t/q-att-htc-one-m8-not-working-explana...

2020 https://xdaforums.com/t/app-mono_-flipfont-custom-ttf-instal...

This is a long standing term of art. If you're ignorant of a big part of the industry, that's on you.

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Post by dotancohen »

gambiting wrote: post #717
dotancohen wrote: post #123

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> Look at the latest Xiaomi, Oppo and other Chinese manufacturers, Apple would love to have the hardware they are shipping right now. If any of these manufacturers decide to include an EMR pen in the body of the phone, like Samsung's S-Pen, they'll have me as a customer. The S-Pen so completely changes the experience that I am unwilling to go back.

Shame Samsung decided to nerf the pen by removing bluetooth, I was one of those users who used it all the time to take photos with, now that they removed that function in the S25 Ultra I traded in my S24U and bought an Oppo instead. And I'm very glad that I did, it's a superior phone in many aspects.

I didn't know that. I'm on the S24U right now.

What did the Bluetooth provide? I use third party EMR pens when at my desk, I've not noticed any missing features.

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Post by gambiting »

dotancohen wrote: post #747
gambiting wrote: post #717

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Shame Samsung decided to nerf the pen by removing bluetooth, I was one of those users who used it all the time to take photos with, now that they removed that function in the S25 Ultra I traded in my S24U and bought an Oppo instead. And I'm very glad that I did, it's a superior phone in many aspects.

I didn't know that. I'm on the S24U right now. What did the Bluetooth provide? I use third party EMR pens when at my desk, I've not noticed any missing features.

You could use the button on the pen and use gestures with it at a distance. So for example I would put the phone somewhere, take the pen with me and use the button as camera trigger. Now they removed bluetooth from the pen so it only acts as a pen - while the button on it still works, it only works when the tip is touching the screen.

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Post by dotancohen »

gambiting wrote: post #748
dotancohen wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know that. I'm on the S24U right now. What did the Bluetooth provide? I use third party EMR pens when at my desk, I've not noticed any missing features.

You could use the button on the pen and use gestures with it at a distance. So for example I would put the phone somewhere, take the pen with me and use the button as camera trigger. Now they removed bluetooth from the pen so it only acts as a pen - while the button on it still works, it only works when the tip is touching the screen.

I see, thank you.

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

"high friction" is a good euphemism for modern tech in general, how it feels to use.

reminds me of when theresa may said UK would become a "hostile environment", because it really feels like that in more ways than she meant.

a high-friction hostile environment is a good description for life.

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