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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by UltraSane »

dang wrote: post #735
UltraSane wrote: post #720

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Your comments have been repeatedly and egregiously breaking the site guidelines. That's not ok, and if you keep doing it we will have to ban your account. HN's rules don't change based on how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

I'm sorry and will stop but isn't spreading false Hezbollah propaganda against the rules? How are we meant to respond to people saying incredibly wrong things?

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by UltraSane »

bigyabai wrote: post #738
tptacek wrote: post #731

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I agree with you about the previous comment, which was unhelpful, but regarding Hezbollah, I'm afraid you're making claims about things you want to be true more than you are relating any actual research. It's my fault for picking this scab with you again in the first place, though.

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Tptacek has been one of the more reasonable voices on this thread and it is odd you would single him out for criticism. Your use of the word "goybucks" is very concerning.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by CommanderData »

zug_zug wrote: post #83
impossiblefork wrote: post #8

I actually consider the pager attack to be legal. There's obviously criticism of it, but I'm fairly sure you're allowed to do this kind of thing by laws of war. Obviously this creates a huge problem for pretty much everyone though, since we can imagine that our ordinary consumer products from all sorts countries could similarly explode if we ended up at war with the manufacturers.

I don't know if it's "legal" or not and by who's laws, but it certainly seems like terrorism to me (i.e. intentionally creating a state of terror). I think if Lebanon found a clever way to assassinate the top 45 military commanders in Israel the same people who are defending this wouldn't be calling it a "Legal act of war".

That's very true, when Israel consistently bombed and destroyed almost every hospital in Gaza. The media tried very hard to narrowly frame it this as legitimate.

Unfortunately for people, Israel will further be tightening its grip on the world (and has already) by buying and censoring platforms such as TikTok.

So there goes one of the main ways news was being shared defying the main stream narrative.

These are the facts and you will be labelled for stating them.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by bigyabai »

sysguest wrote: post #729
sporkxrocket wrote: post #689

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_confl...

woah just linking to wikipedia article without any substance? damn...

Ad-hominem is the argument of last resort, according to Paul Graham's hierarchy of disagreement.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by viccis »

richardfeynman wrote: post #702
viccis wrote: post #684

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Ok, so I see you're taking a denialist approach. At best you will have to settle on "well they sure did send them to a bunch of British politicians, and ya know, they did carry out the King David Hotel bombing that killed 91 people via terrorism, and they did plan on terrorist bombing a bunch of Westerners and Arabs to blame it on communists and Muslim Brotherhood (the Lavon Affair) before getting caught, but they de…

Correct. I am taking a denialist approach toward an absurd conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked. What you’re doing instead is substituting facts for relevance. You went from a false claim (“Israel mailed bombs to Truman”) to a pile-on of unrelated historical violence, as if proving Jews committed any political violence somehow rescues your earlier claim for which there is zero evidence. It doesn’t. On…

This reminds me of other 20th century atrocity denial I read online. There is adequate evidence of the Truman bombing attempt.

Regarding Lehi and Irgun, they were small because terrorist cells usually are. They operated with the permission of the government (evidence by the government ultimately demonstrating this when it dissolved them and incorporated many of them into itself), and involved people celebrated today in Israel for their terrorism, including future PMs of Israel. It is entirely accurate to say that the terrorist organizations Irgun and Lehi represent the nature and spirit of the Israeli people today in a pure and honest form. And I doubt many over there would disagree with you, as long as you're speaking Hebrew lol

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by cess11 »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #708
cess11 wrote: post #707

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They were widely distributed and there was no way for the israelis to know where they were when they detonated them, which they likely did out of desperation and not because they had good reason to believe they were in such and such a position. It is fucking grim to incessantly defend state terrorism.

You don't seem to have an inch of a problem with terrorist, islamist militants that not only terrorise Israel, they also terrorise Lebanon. Ask the Arab League. Even they define them as terrorists. Something here is grim indeed and it is not restricted to some regretable educational deficiencies.

Why change the subject?

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by cess11 »

dlubarov wrote: post #710
cess11 wrote: post #705

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What would the implication of this nitpick be, in your opinion? Wasn't a consequence of this conclusion that the court ordered Israel to change its behaviour because it has an obligation to prevent genocide?

It's not nitpicking - what the court is entirely different from what you stated (though it's understandable as a lot of sources misrepresent it). The court can issue orders without finding any sort of violation, which is what happened in this case when they ordered Israel to "prevent genocide". It can be interpreted as a reminder to Israel of its obligations.

Yes, it is.

States have a clear obligation to stop the genocide in Palestine. Only the mentally infirm distrust that one is ongoing. Due to rules of process and the perpetrators waging war against the court it will likely never make a sound judgement in this case.

It has, however, found reason to order Israel to take certain actions, with the express purpose of preventing genocide, which the state of Israel has refused to follow and its politicians, pundits and other prominent members of israeli society have kept declaring their genocidal intent over and over again since then.

Do you worry more about the interpretation of legal minutiae than a developing mainstream in international relations that considers genocide and other forms of indiscriminate murder permissible?

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by bigyabai »

UltraSane wrote: post #742
bigyabai wrote: post #738

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Tptacek has been one of the more reasonable voices on this thread and it is odd you would single him out for criticism. Your use of the word "goybucks" is very concerning.

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by cess11 »

dlubarov wrote: post #713
cess11 wrote: post #706

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Hezbollah members include medical personnel, teachers, politicians and so on. It is a much larger group of organisations than the armed factions. I'm not sure what you're after. What the israelis did would have been a worse crime if it actually was targeted. Is that your point?

It's not clear that Israel just set off all Hezbollah issued beepers; we don't know what methodology they used. We can guess based on reported casualties, but we don't know which casualties were involved with Hezbollah's military operations. > What the israelis did would have been a worse crime if it actually was targeted. It was certainly targeted, it just also had collateral damage, i.e. harm to non-targets. What y…

Israel should obviously have ended the occupations, payed reparations and prepared for the return of refugees.

The IDF doesn't give a shit about "collateral damage". They mainly attack civilian targets. That's the purpose of the organisation, to make life for indigenous populations in the vicinity of the state of Israel impossible. Destroy their agriculture and water sources, murder their children, displace them, destroy their homes, occupy the land, pretend to be a victim if someone fights back. Then sign some contracts every now and then and don't abide by them while claiming that the other party is the one who doesn't.

This has been ongoing for about a century, it was how the Haganah, Irgun, Stern gang operated. This is why the IDF has such a bad army, they aren't trained for combat and hardly ever have to experience it. Instead they're used for genocidal atrocities against unarmed civilians.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by cess11 »

UltraSane wrote: post #722
cess11 wrote: post #698

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Yes. They formed as a militia to protect Lebanon against israeli invasion, because the relevant colonial powers did not allow the lebanese state to build enough of an army to protect its borders.

Then they never left even after the Lebanon government told them to. They are Iranian puppets and deeply hated by non-shia Lebanese

The threat they were formed to handle never went away.

It's rather racist to think that the lebanese shia and their political parties are "puppets".

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