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Re: End of Japanese community

#741
post #7

10+ years in Japan. The message here is much deeper from my perspective. “Let’s jump on the call” is not the solution. The guy was stripped off of his face. I love Japan for being human. Small business bar or restaurant with 3 tables. Not everything should be streamlined for a quick call solution… the process was pushed on his head. Google nemawashi decision making process

Isn't "nemawashi" just a term for building rapport and sensible networking practices, but in Japanese?

Re: End of Japanese community

#742
post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In my experience, long-term volunteers like this don't just up and quit without having already made multiple attempts at communicating first. Can confirm. You get kicked around long enough, you stop volunteering.

But one would assume you would mention the failure of the organisation to address your previously raised concerns in your resignation-and-criticise blog post?

Indeed. I feel for this guy. I volunteered with Mozilla for a long time and I have a lot of love for the org, but there are cultural/institutional problems it inherited from Netscape that are still there today. I think people of good conscience can't help but state why they're quitting in situations like this. We still want the problem fixed even if we can't fix it.

Re: End of Japanese community

#743

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Community is also about communication. In fact, that's a primary aspect of a community. Yeah, Mozilla introduced a bot that's stomping on things. Are they malicious? Twirling neatly waxed mustaches as they cackle gleefully as the little ants scurry about in a panic? Or is this a case of humans doing what humans do: Screwing things up. The first step is to open communications, and the most effective form of communicat…

If they're just screwing things up, they're not learning from their mistakes. They already introduced the bot to the Spanish and Italian communities, with the same issues. To the roll it out further to the Japanese, and who knows who else, without fixing the issues is not speaking to their competence.

But if they had rolled-back the 2 languages and paused on the third, thr team behind this will have little to show during end of year reviews. So onwards the wheels turn, to show a large and growing rollout supporting millions of users across Europe and Asia in 2025

Re: End of Japanese community

#744
post #242

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Hasn't crashed for me once and I use it daily.

Been crashing for me and friends for about a week now, mostly on youtube

Is that tab crashes or whole browser crash? YouTube on Firefox appear to trigger memory leaks of some sort. I get routine tab crashes for that reason too, but not as much browser crashes.

Re: End of Japanese community

#745

> Hi Marsf, > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us to talk about this further? We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. > My timezone is UTC+7, so it should be easier for us to set up time. Let me know how that sound! What a horribly condescending and patronising resp…

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You can't comment like this on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: End of Japanese community

#747

I know that everyone has already given their opinions about what kinds of people are involved and their motivations, but this is really about two fallible humans, one listing grievances and another asking to open a communication channel. That's it. Anything else you read into this is going to be fraught with your own coloring based on a hundred words written in text (a notoriously difficult medium to establish emotio…

> We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. This is extremely condescending, which is not what... "communication is about". He listed out plenty of crystal clear issues that are easily understood. Translation among western languages works quite well. Automatic translation to Japanese does not work well. Anyone involved in translation should know this and understand why.

Super ironic how the helpful agent misspells "trully" in context of a language-focused discussion.

Re: End of Japanese community

#748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been crashing for me and friends for about a week now, mostly on youtube

Is that tab crashes or whole browser crash? YouTube on Firefox appear to trigger memory leaks of some sort. I get routine tab crashes for that reason too, but not as much browser crashes.

Tab crashes sometimes, other times my browser gets slow and I restart the whole thing

Re: End of Japanese community

#749
post #343

It's funny how Japanese contributors often go nuclear whenever things don't go their way instead of communicating etc. Bugs happen. this is tech. open communication is always the way to go before escalation. we see the same phenomenon in git, ruby etc etc etc. Ironically, Japanese work culture encourages over-communication. It seems that open-source is considered a counter-culture that they want to escape japanese wo…

>In October 22, the sumobot was introduced to Japanese KB articles. I cannot accept its behavior and no words. [...] It has been working now without our acceptance, without controls, without communications. How exactly did you manage to place the blame for no communication on Japanese contributors here given the actual complaint in question?

Because given the nature and scope of the complaint, they should have disclosed prior communication. It is clear here that they probably attempted, poorly, to communicate but ultimately chose to nuke the relationship instead, claiming that they have a monopoly over japanese translations.

Re: End of Japanese community

#750

It's funny how Japanese contributors often go nuclear whenever things don't go their way instead of communicating etc. Bugs happen. this is tech. open communication is always the way to go before escalation. we see the same phenomenon in git, ruby etc etc etc. Ironically, Japanese work culture encourages over-communication. It seems that open-source is considered a counter-culture that they want to escape japanese wo…

Yes, lets dismiss Japanese culture..

This isn't dismissing, this is respecting that this is a risk factor in involving Japanese contributors.
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