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Re: Sora 2

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Post by yakbarber »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

that's a really great question.

I think that it reduces down to "reward without effort is bad for you" - in so many different contexts in life, especially entertainment.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Steelmanning? It's infinite content, meaning our customers will never run out of new and interesting videos to watch, which will inspire them to feed prompts into our systems too and have it generate more videos. Money can be generated from multiple angles; we can charge a premium for generating videos beyond a small free tier once we've hooked the prompters, we can offer people or companies the option to promote their own videos so they get put into people's feeds, and we can insert generated ads from big corporate sponsors. It'll be lit.

Why should a commercial enterprise that has had billions of investments have benefits outside of earning money? Besides the entertainment value that the masses get from making and viewing these, of course.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

> The crisis part is that I can't justify this belief with words.

Here's one attempt; it's art versus content. Tiktok is content; it's people recording a video, sometimes in one take and publishing, sometimes in multiple takes with some editing etc, sometimes fully professional ones. But overall, it's cheap, rapidly produced content for cheap, rapid consumption. ASoIaF was a labor of years to produce not just a series of books, but a world, a rich history, and later on a multi-media enterprise that involved and employed millions of people, then entertained and excited hundreds of millions of people over the years.

AI is lowering the barrier to entry even more, with anyone able to just punch in some words - less even than this comment - and produce something. For someone to consume. Maybe one in a billion will be remembered or still popular in a decade (like how some of these cheap videos are still popular / remembered / quoted, think vines / memes). But the ratio just keeps getting worse.

ASoIaF to a TikTok video is like... ASoIaF to a tweet.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by wavemode »

dwohnitmok wrote: post #688
some-guy wrote: post #452

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My opinion is that unless there is some insane breakthrough in power efficiency with video generation, or if energy costs go down to zero, there is no way such a thing actually becomes profitable at the scale of scrolling TikTok. It is far more power efficient (and cheaper) to have people post their own content.

I think you're overestimating how much power LLMs consume. Let's say one video pegs a top of the line Blackwell chip at 100% utilization for 10 minutes. I think a Blackwell chip (plus cooling and other data center overhead) is somewhere around 3000 watts when running 100%. So that's about 0.5 kilowatt-hours. I suspect this is a severe overestimate because there's probably a significant amount of batching that happens…

> It seems not unlikely that the amount of energy it takes to produce, edit, and process a TikTok video exceeds half a kilowatt-hour.

That would be really remarkable, considering the total power capacity of a phone battery is in the neighborhood of 0.015 kWh

Re: Sora 2

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Post by tminima »

I feel that this is a data collection activity (and thus, more advanced future models and usecases) disguised as a social media. People will provide feedback in the form of clicks/views on AI generated content (better version of RLHF) on unverified/subjective domains.

Biggest problem OpenAI has is not having an immense data backbone like Meta/Google/MSFT has. I think this is step in that direction -- create a data moat which in turn will help them make better models.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by krzat »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Would be fun if this devolved into psychodelic, hypnotic videos that have no cognitively discernable content (like white noise) but evoke an urge to press the like button.

I'm just curious if such thing is possible.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by dostick »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

It is a strange choice also because their model aims to be better than others, and obvious choice would be going after filmmaking market, like Veo did. And in presentation they tell about social aspect and scrolling, and how they would limit the scrolling. Are they confused and is it really just three guys working on it.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by sydd »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #625
ares623 wrote: post #577

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Kids will go to School V2 and have absolutely nothing in common to talk about because each one will have completely unique media entertainment at home.

They can just sit in the corner with their meta glasses and talk to their LLM friends.

I wonder if it will lead to q civilizational collapse because kids V2 won't have kids. Even today's young adults barely have any kids.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by zarzavat »

r_lee wrote: post #321
zarzavat wrote: post #170

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I can see that future generations are going to think that I'm boomer for preferring the performances of real actors instead of AI slop. The music industry already went through this with AutoTune and we know how that turned out.

I don't get the autotune argument. It's like saying we shouldn't be using electronic instruments because it's not real or we shouldn't use digital audio instruments because they're not real etc. It's just a way to get different kind of sound. It won't make you good tracks.

When you listen to music that has been AutoTuned, you don't know if the singer can actually... sing. If you put them in a room and asked them to sing a song without artificial aid, would you actually enjoy their performance or not? You don't know!

This marked a divergence from thousands of years of vocal performances where singing ability and enjoyment of the music were one and the same.

AutoTune was the first slop, and the general population seems to like it.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by seydor »

kanwisher wrote: post #689
seydor wrote: post #380

Since Agi is cancelled, at least we have shopping and endless video

Its almost like you need to have incremental steps that also generate revenue and push the technology forward

disparaging comments are also a motivator
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