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js8 wrote: post #733
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #584

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If people outside the US complain about what the US does, we should stop doing it. The fact that everyone complains about US foreign policy means we need to course-correct. No one complains about Swiss foreign policy. I think we agree, since we're both against NATO. Not sure why you're trying to argue with me.

No, I think we agree, that's why I wonder why you use the word "anti-american". And I think you should consider not using it, as it's inappropriate* to use that word to denote just critics of american government or american foreign policy. I think people abroad who criticize these things recognize that not every American agrees with these policies, and mostly don't have any objection against ordinary Americans or the…

If you look at the Wikipedia page, my usage is fairly typical. It's a vague term which can be applied to critics of US foreign policy who want us to stop being the world police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism

>people abroad who criticize these things recognize that not every American agrees with these policies

Pretty common nowadays for all of the US to be blamed for Trump's election. See this discussion from the other day. No one outside the US said I shouldn't be blamed for the votes of my neighbors: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45035046

In any case, the original discussion is related to freedom of speech. The US is usually criticized more for this, regardless of how other countries are doing. See e.g. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/08/europe-fre... This represents an anti-American bias, which is due to our foreign policy.

>its meaning is about ethnicity

"American" is not an ethnicity.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #584
js8 wrote: post #582

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Why are so worried, then, whether the world is anti-american or not? Why use that term, if you personally don't want see the world through nationalist optics? I saw a commenter the other day here claiming that in EU, there are lot of "anti-american" far left sentiments. They weren't able to elaborate, who exactly that is; as someone on the left, I don't see it. For example, I live in EU, I support DiEM25, and I am ag…

If people outside the US complain about what the US does, we should stop doing it. The fact that everyone complains about US foreign policy means we need to course-correct. No one complains about Swiss foreign policy. I think we agree, since we're both against NATO. Not sure why you're trying to argue with me.

I'm not sure why people are downvoting this comment. Is it some sort of "beatings will continue until morale improves" thing?

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #649
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #551

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>America being the "leader of the free world" has benefited it immensely. It doesn't make a difference. See this graph: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/GDP_per_... GDP growth stayed on the same trend both before and after the US tried to "lead the free world" post-WW2. >military power projection That's a cost for us, not a benefit. I don't want my tax dollars to be "projecting power". I want them…

> military power projection > That's a cost for us, not a benefit. If id get a cent for every US-american not understanding their hegemonial privilege... (Sorry, shouldnt be an insult. Its just so prevalent and to me, a sign of lacking self criticism on a worringly massive scale.) Eg: https://business.columbia.edu/research-brief/dollars-dominan... TLDR: The US military backs the dollar as international trade currency…

Also just FYI, use of sanctions against supposed bad actors like Russia has the effect of undermining the USD as a reserve currency. So it's going to go away eventually anyways. Maybe it's better to do it on our own terms.

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Post by asdff »

jghn wrote: post #672
asdff wrote: post #394

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Most people aren't actively curating their feed like this. They see an attractive person, eyes wander for a few seconds longer than the usual post before scrolling away, and that is enough.

But I'd at least think that anyone who is complaining about what content they're seeing, the algorithm, etc knows enough to do this too. Especially on a site like ths. Instead online discourse often revolves around this being an impossible task. Meanwhile on all the social media sites I use I have managed to keep algorithmic content to a minimum.

What social media sites do you use where you've been successful at avoiding the algorithm? I don't see how it can be avoided. It is always trained in some way based on your estimated demography and what content you engage with slightly more than others.

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Post by overfeed »

rhetocj23 wrote: post #729
overfeed wrote: post #266

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> Is Meta going to get a gov chaperone too? I believe the technical name is "Political Commissar." Edit: Dana White, of MMA fame, now sits on Meta's board, though it is at Zuckerberg's request.

At his request lol. Strong corporate governance structure.

Unsurprisingly, investors care more about returns than good governance structures. At least in the short term. I wonder how Page, Brin and Zuckerberg will handle their controlling stakes as they lose their fights against time.

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Post by immibis »

cess11 wrote: post #636
zoom6628 wrote: post #581

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This. Ellison is a Trump+power fanboi. Through a few billion at a project to get multiples in return in other projects.

It might be zionism rather than 'fanboiing' over Trump that motivates him. It seems one has to curry favours with Trump to keep him tolerant of Netanyahu and unconditionally supporting of the state of Israel, and this would likely have such an effect. Recently the Ellison clan dumped a large amount of money on the infamous genocidaire Bari Weiss and is pushing CBS to accept her as a senior member of their news organi…

Can someone explain to me why the rich and powerful care about Israel so much? I really don't get it.

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Post by immibis »

zamadatix wrote: post #714
slg wrote: post #701

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That is because the complaints about left wing threats to free speech are always incredibly dubious like the government asking social media sites to take down what was widely considered dangerous Covid misinformation or some random college professor saying people should use "Latinx". In comparison, the right wing attacks on free speech are like the FCC threatening people for mild jokes. Can you name anything the left…

The Biden administration started this whole TikTok thing in the first place, you just liked the platform at the time and are now getting bit in the ass when the group in power has changed. I'm not interested in which side is supposed to be worse than the other so someone can feel better about the speech they are okay with suppressing, I'm interested in free speech all the time. The Kimmel thing is indeed a stupid and…

In addition to what people already said, Biden isn't left-wing.

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Post by immibis »

jameslk wrote: post #732
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #627

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Weren't they just reporting to Twitter when they saw posts breaker twitters existing policies?

Is it not problematic that the government is bringing up specific things they’d like censored?

As long as it stays to the level of "Hey, doesn't this violate your rules?" I think the government has the same right to press the report button, or even to write an email equivalent to pressing report a bunch of times, as anyone else does.

I'm not aware that a Democrat government arrested anyone for not complying with these emails.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by immibis »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #631
gpt5 wrote: post #205

Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

Won't this separate out the US community on TikTok completely? Almost like the GFW ironically.

The name "Great Firewall of America" is already taken (and refers to Cloudflare), so we'll have to call this one something else.

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Post by marbro »

ivape wrote: post #525
mullingitover wrote: post #494

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This seems like the microwaved corpse of the original 2020 deal. Bytedance keeps all the IP, sells Oracle the nearly worthless right to operate the US infra. They can't even call their franken-app Tiktok. The US user data already sits in the US but they'll expect everyone to forget about that so they can brag about this token win. They'll probably get what they really want, which is an admin console for the algorithm…

This shit is crazy that it’s really happening. The double whammy is that the youth is not prepared intellectually and will continue contributing their data to this platform.

Adults are pretty stupid, too, especially legislators who voted to ban TikTok.
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